Friday August 10, 2012 08:44

Sakai Addresses the TOS Change and Future Updates

Posted by Ricardo

Sakai added a clause to the PSO2 terms of service which basically forbids other countries from playing it. There was a similar description from the Alpha and Beta test but it has now returned.

They have already planned to launch PSO2 separately in North America / Europe in 2013. Also they are looking into launching it in Asia separately.

One of the reasons for this TOS change is to make it easier to address malicious users. Unfortunately it appears most of the malicious acts are coming from overseas territories. Even today, they had to take down the game for maintenance just to address exploits found by these players.

Since there have been many good foreign players who have already made progress into the game, they really do no want to cut off the connections of everyone playing outside of Japan. HOWEVER, if malicious acts from overseas players continue, they will be forced to take drastic measures. In addition, they are no longer accepting foreign card payments anymore also as a countermeasure against malicious players.

Of course there will be malicious activity in the future, and he asks that everyone continues to use the wicked user form to report them.

 

Future Updates

In September, three new classes and five new weapon categories are going to be implemented into the game. The new classes are in similar line with the 3 existing classes consisting of close range combat, long distance combat, and tech and you’ll be able to use the new weapon categories with these classes. In order to access these new classes, you must be level 30 in either Hunter, Ranger, or Force, and clear a specific client order. When you change to  the new classes you’ll start at level 1.

Since many players have requested the ability to move their characters across different ships, he plans to implement this service in the update in September. And by popular demand, he’s going to update the way the recycle shop works which can only mean one thing! Not only will you be able to use AC costumes to trade, but you can also use the items you get from the AC Scratch.

In addition to the existing client orders, he’s also going to implement something like a daily client order. With “Daily Orders” the client order contents are different each day.

Even the team features are going to be expanded upon. There will be client orders that team members can perform. If you accumulate points, you can have your very own Team Room!

 

Premium Package Mag

It was mentioned that the premium package was going to have a mag evolution device. PSO1 players should be familiar with the Sato mag! Also expect 5 original weapons in the premium package. What they are is a mystery at this point.

 

95 Responses to Sakai Addresses the TOS Change and Future Updates

me

August 10th, 2012 at 3:53 am

So this is them saying "instead of coding better security into the game, let's just ban all the overseas players and hope the problem goes away"

Also isnt the mag called Sato?

Ricardo

August 10th, 2012 at 3:56 am

Oh yes, I was thinking about the PSU spelling.

Ken

August 10th, 2012 at 4:20 am

I think meaning is exactly "let’s just ban all the overseas players and hope the problem goes away" as most of problem come from oversea.

This is not special, but it's common for Japanese MMO and MO.

Anyway, I believe there is oversea IP ban sooner or later. So personally I am not too much excited about upcoming update, as I won't be able to play till next year.

KitsyLove

August 10th, 2012 at 4:34 am

Hmm, I hope there won't be IP-bans, but it seems Sakai is not fond of having to do that. They seem to enjoy the fact their Japanese game is played worldwide.

But it'd be those hackers who's going to ruin it for all the overseas players. :

I even feel a bit bad, a bit ashamed that some malicous users have to just ruin it like that. Giving all the overseas players a slight ruined image. I also feel bad for all the overseas people who were supporting Sega with real money by buying Arks Cash, who now can't do that anymore.

And those updates! 8D

It seems they are taking the players very seriously and are looking into possibilities to try to implement those things, like being able to move to another ship. Just hope it won't cost money.. ._.

At first I wasn't very happy to hear I had to be level 30 in any one class first before I could unlock any of the new classes, but then again, it adds a challenge to it, if you're not level 30 in any class yet. I'm a slow player, so it will take some time before I'm level 30 anyway. x'D

Ricardo

August 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am

I figure it's going to cost AC to do that. That's an easy way to make a quick buck.

ezodagrom

August 10th, 2012 at 4:41 am

So, basically, instead of fixing the exploits, they're planning on banning everyone from outside Japan, and then, when the english version of the game arrives, what are they gonna do when people start abusing exploits or even hacking there? Ignore the issues?

It's not like they can mass ban everyone from Europe and America in the english servers… ._.

Anonymous

August 10th, 2012 at 4:49 am

the same thing they always do, nothing.

Beta

August 10th, 2012 at 4:59 am

@ezodagrom

I was thinking the same thing. If they don't get it now, the EN release is going to flop just as bad because they can't fix these malicious exploits.

I hope they don't IP ban foreigners though… PSO2 is the first game I've ever spent tons of cash on. Not only that but I'd also be losing hours of my life that I played. Not that I regret those hours… But getting banned for doing nothing on my part. GAH! D:

cisen01

August 10th, 2012 at 5:23 am

@KitsyLove its seem they enjoy it .. because he didnt mention the english patch :P

too bad if we get blocked because noob hacker/cheater,

this is the first mmo i play than i really feel than u didnt need any cheat/hack .. just play and enjoy .. no like crap wow or L2

mg

August 10th, 2012 at 5:31 am

I'm confused, what does no longer accepting foreign card payments have to do with anything? The cheaters don't need AC to exploit, the only people who were buying AC were honest players who wanted to give SEGA their money.

Plant

August 10th, 2012 at 5:32 am

Since they stopped accepting payments from foreigners, there's really no reason for them NOT to simply IP ban us. We're just putting strain on their servers now, basically. I can imagine them using "malicious acts" as an excuse to force us all into playing the US/EU release.

Drekko

August 10th, 2012 at 5:57 am

I just know if they Ip ban, then I'm dropping this game. I'm not going to hop on the English servers, not after spending so much time with my current character. Also I don't want to deal with SoA and the lack of updates that the US/EU version is going to have.

Even though I don't understand how they're going to deal with the Vita Version. They can't ip ban anyone off of that, cause it's controlled by Sony, and supposably the vita version is going to be cross play with the pc version.

pso2love

August 10th, 2012 at 6:10 am

If I'm reading this, they're only going to ban wicked users, and not normal players. Sakai acknowledged that there are GOOD players outside of Japan, and he doesn't want to ban them. That's good news! :)

pso2love

August 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am

@Drekko for the vita, they can ban your user I'd, and the ip you connect from. Not that complicated.

pso2love

August 10th, 2012 at 6:14 am

@mg I have to agree with you on that. However, maybe it has to do with the exploit that Ricardo posted earlier?

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 10th, 2012 at 6:26 am

You know I'm hoping they expand the ark ship. I wonder what the engine room looks like and such .. :P I mean they do have basically a city in the shop area back ground .

KEV1N

August 10th, 2012 at 6:54 am

The 5 premium pack weapons are probably going to be the 5 "Nacht" weapons.

KaizoKage

August 10th, 2012 at 7:10 am

ok guys, lets atleast help them and report those malicious player, atleast lets show SEGA that even us foreign players, we want a peacefull community without hackers.

and lets all think positive, the server wont IP Ban us :3

Panther

August 10th, 2012 at 7:11 am

Well I like the new changes, at least they are keeping us updated regularly. Sure an IP ban or something of the sort will suck, but well, there will always be idiots and I hope Sakai addresses that to SEGA (who are likely the ones pushing for action that goes overboard anyway).

I do hope they implement something like Team notices though, like every time you log in, a Manager or the Team Leader can leave a message for everyone to see so that important notices or messages can be sent to all Team members. That would be neat to organize some team play in instances or the like.

weeaboo

August 10th, 2012 at 7:19 am

the whole new classes get access to the new weapons is shit to me. it's a cheap way of elongating gameplay and forcing players to replay/regrind just so they can play with new weapons.

annoying and unnecessary.

Seink

August 10th, 2012 at 7:24 am

I too bought AC, spend a lot of time playing and even invited more friends to join. To have all gone to waste because some hacker has too much free time and a bad sense of humor makes me mad…

SilentPanda

August 10th, 2012 at 7:40 am

From what I understand, it's not that Sega won't take foreign transaction, but that it's causing more trouble then it's worth.

1. Foreign transaction isn't instant, some takes a few day, while other will take up to a month.

2. People use foreign card, and while the transaction is ongoing, they report the transaction as fraud, or their credit card company cancel it, as not sure of the foreign transaction is initiated by the user. aka. Lost profit.

3. Tax issue, as Japan's tax law regarding credit card is strict, which is why a majority of online service won't take foreign transaction.

Alkaid

August 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am

If people are bummed out about not being able to buy Arks cash for stuff like premium and scratch just find a site that sells prepaid webmoney cards and go that way though it will take up to a day to receive said card depending on the place you get them from. Also note the mark ups.

mg

August 10th, 2012 at 8:29 am

Apparently webmoney still works, but there's some kind of markup involved.

Maybe someone should make a guide on using that?

nxtech

August 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am

why would sega use gameguard and expect someone to not hack it. they should have used a better cheat prepention software.

Chris (NY)

August 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am

Just like to point out that I am still able to buy AC in 500Yen increments. Not sure how much longer that will last though.

Drekko

August 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am

@pso2love

They can ban the User ID, but not the IP cause it goes through the Playstation Network, which if you forgot is controlled by Sony. If you know Sony, it takes alot for them to perma ban anyone off the network, you have to of done something really serious and stupid to get ban.

Nilok

August 10th, 2012 at 8:57 am

I wonder if prepaid AMEX cards still work. Cheaper than web money.

Also I'm really curious about these new classes now. We've heard them refer to classes and subclasses in future updates. are there two separate things ore are they one and the same? The way this is described it sounds more like an implementation of advanced classes where you work your way back up from 1 with more abilities and better stats. The weapons seem to suggest hybrids though, especially with weapons like twin mech guns and wands

Anyway I think this is their way of pushing us out without pushing us out. I'm starting to think the denial of AC purchases is more to protect themselves. If they start banning people who buy AC but can't really defend themselves it's going to hurt relations way more than saying "stick around and play, but remember you're a guest so dont give us any trouble." We can't really claim to be paying customers if we can't buy AC and we can't bitch for losing AC/money after being banned(were that to happen) if we couldn't buy AC to begin with. Doesn't mean we can't find other means of buying AC if we wanted

Nilok

August 10th, 2012 at 8:59 am

@Drekko, not to mention most people have a dynamic IP address, so resetting the modem will get them a different IP. Doesn't really do anything to ban a single IP address, you know?

Drekko

August 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am

@Nilok, True that.

Oh well, we will see what happens.

Nxtech

August 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am

or i wonder what would be done for people who play pso2 using a tethered connection from an iphone because 1) its a mobile ip address and 2) it can be very easily changed by the click of a button.

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am

So it seems we got to clear our names and build up pso rep. Be uber nice and report the hackers. At the same time help sega out we might be able to send in suggestions to improve gameplay and help sakia figure out how to get around the AC ordeal. Cause there are alot of scamiers out there. …hmmm … maybe he can use a phone service thing for the us. Where it charges to someone phone bill how much they use or something.

Novajone

August 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am

They have already planned to launch PSO2 separately in North America / Europe in 2013. Also they are looking into launching it in Asia separately.

dos this mean i wont able to see eu and na together

M3rror

August 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am

Anyone can still buy 500AC with a foreign card. However, anyone under 21 or 22 have a limit of the number of AC they can buy. I don't know the amount.

My guess is since it's a small amount SEGA is not to worried of losing out of that money. Although, it takes ~30 days for a foreign card to be charged and seeing as now SEGA is getting the money from those foreign transactions I think their policy on that will change. Or not since it is a hassle.

Also, single IP ban addresses are effectiveless, and not because they change (Which doesn't do anything) but because you can use a VPN to get passed them easily. They're just going to ban your account. However, each ISP assigns the IPs with a country code so to say and SEGA can ban those ranges.

-Z-

August 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am

novajone> they already said they're going to cram the EU and NA people together.

a problem I see in this address is that by coming out and saying "yeah and if you keep it up we're gonna screw everybody in your area over" is that it's confirming to the trolls that they're going to cause exactly what they're trying to cause. and given the history of PSO and PSU in the west as far as management goes, most people seem pretty grim on the matter, which feeds the trolls more.

sadly the wicked user report form doesn't give us the power to throttle the trolls untill they stop moving.

and when has any company's response to haxx0rz ever been to fix the hacks? <<; the most unfair and illogical "cut off your nose to spite your face" move is always the preferred option when corporations are involved. :|

also I don't think that the phrase "and you'll be able to use the new weapon types with these classes" inherently means "you can't use them without being these classes".

if it was it would be rather stupid given how it's three new weapons for the melee class and one each for magic and ranged. and crappy ones for those two, at that. <<;

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 10th, 2012 at 11:24 am

@-z- Simple . We just got to defend the japanese community and sega when it comes to the trolls. Or outsmart them with words(has done this before. Piss the mess out of them and it was funny xD. ) .Hopefully They'll do the same. As for hackers well … all you can do is report them using screenshots,chatlogs and report forms. Get more people to report the hackers and their number will die down. Also getting people take the hacks down on forums and youtube could help.

Ren

August 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am

We all know real reason for the ToS changes. It is to set up ground work for IP bans when PSO2-I launches. It makes no sense to do any IP Baning before PSO2-I is running. I can almost guarantee they are simply waiting for its launch; but dont be fooled, IP bans are inevitable.

Azure

August 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Its easy to get pissed at Sega and whatnot, but its not like they are at fault here, you and 10 friends enter my house and one of them craps on the carpet, the hell with all of you, gotta be glad it lasted as long as it did, since jackasses are hacking the game since the beta, and don't give me that bullshit that they are doing to raise awareness and to improve the game, fuck that, there are hundreds of security experts that find security holes in systems and do go on exploiting and posting all over the net.

The server is not international, they don't care that you give they money (sure they like it, but they don't care) people should just stick to themselves while there and not fuck up for the rest of the world.

Moeiful

August 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Sato!!! I will be going for this mag

Plant

August 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

@Ren: Exactly. Seeing how negative people are about the international release and how the majority (?) of Phantasy Star enthusiasts is already playing the Japanese release, there's pretty much no way to force people to play "their" version other than blocking non-Japanese IP ranges.

ZMX Model 17809

August 10th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Suggestion: could we get a list of pre-made phrases to use when reporting people using the wickeduser page?

A simple look on youtube could fill dozens of wickeduser reports. Youtube is overflowing with people who are cheating and recording themselves doing it.

Shazza Azurite

August 10th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

i personally want to give my thanks to the many security hackers & game breakers of pso2. because of your repeated actions, the entire english community faces a potential ip ban. i've said time & time again that these "exploiters" should keep their noses out of affairs that never concerned you to begin with…..yet look at where we stand today. it always takes either one or a small group of jackasses to both deface & kill an entire community, who just want to enjoy the game for what it is.

these "children" will never learn their lesson…..

ShadowDragon

August 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

To any people using "Cheat Engine" or other "hacking" software, Please for everyone's sake, Stop using "hacks" You had your fun showing off etc, enough is enough. Please don't ruin every US/EU players' access to servers by pushing Sakai to IP ban all non-JP players. Please, just stop.

Nilok

August 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

You guys are just egging them on.

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

@ZMX Model 17809 . Yea posting video links that show who hacking on the report forum will help. but we do need some phrases. But Im thinking sakia can speak English as well as japanese well hoping he does ^^ . If so then there be less of a barrier there with communication and screenshots will also help as well . you can do this by hiting the printscreen on your keyboard tho. looking for the screenshot folder is a hassle so here . C:UsersOwnerDocumentsSEGAPHANTASYSTARONLINE2pictures . that where it located…well located for me >_>; . @everyone else It seems PSOW people are taking their own approach with a letter to sakia about what needs to be done to fix things… at least that what it seems…. I hope they do ._.; .

Zoidburg

August 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Wonderful, let's publicly announce the cheaters attempts to ruin the game for everyone is working.

You heard it wicked users, just a little more and PSO2 is ruined for all of us. Congratulations.

Ace [Ship 10]

August 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

I got an idea!Why sega don't make a global version?Example PSO 2 have English server,Japan server and an english+Japan cross-over server in one .If japan's player don't want to play with english player can stay in japan server!

Aldermar

August 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

@Ace unless you weren't informed, it was announced that PSO2 US/EU servers will not be unified with PSO2 JP server. Meaning a global server is not possible. Go check out PSO-World for more details.

yoyo

August 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

So we can stay, but we can't access premium features. So, we're just around to be an underclass that makes Japanese paying players feel superior?

I spent a decent amount of money on this, and I haven't even once hacked. This is racism plain and simple in my view.

Ganymede

August 10th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

People, Calm down and READ!

"Since there have been many good foreign players who have already made progress into the game, they really do no want to cut off the connections of everyone playing outside of Japan. HOWEVER, if malicious acts from overseas players continue, they will be forced to take drastic measures."

This line: "they really DO NOT want to cut off the connections of everyone playing outside of Japan."

They are looking for people using exploits and people who are reported by Japanese players as being "wicked users". They will not ban everyone outside of Japan just for being outside of Japan. Jesus. Fear monger much?

Ganymede

August 10th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

They WILL NOT ban you for no reason. If you are using exploits and fucking up other people's good time and get reported, then yeah you will probably get banned. If you AREN'T a douche-bag script-kiddie, however, then you are going to be just fine. Rumors, Rumors, Rumors…. you guys are worse than a sewing circle. >.<

yoyo

August 10th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

How does not accepting our dirty foreigner money make them accepting? Imagine is World of Warcraft decided to judge the contents of entire countries based on a few bad eggs?

We known broomop is a hacker, but who is to say that there are not Japanese hackers as well? Its a Japanese past time to blame everything on the outside.

Just imagine if a western rpg tried this. There would be media outrage, calls of racism and an eventual back down.

So, we're safe for now until someone else (of whatever race or ethnicity) hacks some more and it's time to blame us for everything. Yay. That really makes me want to keep leveling my characters, knowing that I could wake up tomorrow and have all my work and pso2 friends lost. Yay.

yoyo

August 10th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

I wish I was Japanese so sega would see me as a real person and not a secondary money resource for when they're done with the Japanese market.

Japanese = premium content and service.

Non-Japanese = the scraps that fall off the table.

yoyo

August 10th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

There are Japanese players living outside Japan and non-Japanese living in Japan.

Finalzone

August 10th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

Yoyo,

There are Japanese players living outside Japan and non-Japanese living in Japan. SEGA are well aware about these fact so no racism here.

Truth

August 10th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

*slow sarcastic clapping* Bravo to the hackers who need hacks to enjoy this game. Look guys I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but lets face it. We WILL eventually be IP blocked, we are too big of a community base for EVERYONE to confidently abide by the rules.

Weird Oregonian

August 11th, 2012 at 3:10 am

Figures. Guess I have to wait for the game to come out here. I found the game to be incredibly fun and enjoyable and above all, free. (For me anyway, I didn't buy Arks Cash.)

It's probably harder to track them and prosecute the major ones internationally. I suspect they don't want to deal with the problems that come with international communities, namely the hackers. It was nice of them to not do this ban earlier. Also, it seems like the English speakers used an awful lot of inappropriate symbol art. The anatomy lessons were rather childish.

Idiotic jerk hackers.

Weird Oregonian

August 11th, 2012 at 3:12 am

Oh yeah, thanks to Ganymede, I went and reread some things. I feel dumb. I still stick with what I said earlier.

Ricardo

August 11th, 2012 at 3:14 am

@Nilok The new classes are like alternative classes from the original 3. They get access to the new weapon categories and you'll have to start at level 1.

As for subclasses in a future update. The hint was dropped around the month of October. That just leaves us to speculate that you level up these new classes and eventually you can append them as a subclass. He wants us to level multiple classes in time for the October update.

Different hacker cul

August 11th, 2012 at 3:43 am

@yoyo

>but who is to say that there are not Japanese hackers as well?

There's a HUGE difference between the Japanese MMO hacker culture and the Western MMO hacker culture.

Japanese MMO hackers like being the "secret masters" of the game world. They're like ninjas. They tend to keep their techniques within their own little circles, and prefer to use cheats that largely affect and benefit themselves. The natural result of this is that Japanese hackers tend to leave the normal playerbase alone, and only cause grief for the select few that personally piss them off.

Western MMO hackers are the complete opposite. They're like Sauron and his horde of orcs. They want to destroy the established world and be feared by everybody. So they make melodramatic supervillian speeches about how their hacking is going to "improve" the game, and openly give away their tools and cheats to multiply the number of hackers trying to break the game. They prefer doing flashy, high-profile hacks that interfere with as many players as possible, causing as much grief as possible.

To summarize, most Japanese MMO hackers try to secretly become the most powerful in the game world. In contrast, most Western MMO hackers try to openly break and destroy the game world. Peaceful co-existence may be possible with Japanese hackers, but is pretty much impossible with Western hackers.

In light of these enormous differences between the two hacker cultures, it should be fairly obvious why Sega is seriously considering a regional IP ban.

Chill Pill

August 11th, 2012 at 3:49 am

@me

Uhh it actually isn't easier to "code better". This means they'll have to revise ALOT of stuff to be able to completely fix the problem (as you can see the patch did not help last time). It is actually much easier for a dev team to just block incoming IP from elsewhere.

I hate the mentality of "oh, most of the hackers are from overseas so ban them". But we can't really do anything :S I don't even have the slightest idea why anyone would screw with the game in the first place. Must be "fun" for those sad shit to put the whole community (ours) in risk of being blocked

Alkaid

August 11th, 2012 at 6:06 am

If anyone has any questions about how webmoney works or anything related to it just contact me at the email I have listed or on steam my steam ID is KincaidP(or Rovian). I'd make a guide on it but I'm using a new laptop at the moment and have nothing installed on it.

Scarlet-Stars

August 11th, 2012 at 7:24 am

Well I'm going to say this here now and because I feel it needs to be said:

SEGA is indeed a company, and I've known them for awhile now.

Sega sounds like they want to keep themselves from doing this but they will have no choice anyway, and they probably know what will happen to their EU/NA release should they actually go through it: it will fail/or slowly die off.

Barely anything happens in our side of things because any MMO we get in general is shot dead instantly, if they need to IP ban sure go ahead, but this also does not help them in terms of future references, as the game companies are on the fast track to becoming companies that will only support Japan.

Why? Because the more Games that are localized, the more that get shot dead. and all JPN does is IP ban and make us played a horribly destroyed version of their game.

Basically: Japan gets the GOOD version, EU/NA gets the horrible versions. This was going to come eventually, because of the things foreigners do, while I acknowledge SEGA on their Kindness, it's on death ears when the game gets it's release.

Because this was just added to countdown of SEGA, and we ALL know SEGA is on very few counts as is… even if it's not SoA it's still their responsibility. I look forward to seeing how they'll possibly recover. (But this is SEGA they have enough money to be Japan only and not even care about us.)

I'm glad I didn't get too attached, otherwise this probably would of made me a tad mad.

weeaboo

August 11th, 2012 at 7:26 am

@ren

yeah, i'm worried about an ip ban incoming once the game releases in NA/EUR

hopefully it wont happen but time will tell.

cisen01

August 11th, 2012 at 7:30 am

btw guys … always those hacker … post their hack in a forum or youtube, if someone has patient to search them and report them

me

August 11th, 2012 at 7:47 am

@chill pill yes, I am a programmer myself, i know its more complicated than just saying "code better" but that's exactly what they need to do. Sega has had rampant security and hacking issues with just about all of their online games since pso1 came out. You would think that after what, 12 years or so they would have learned something by now. Instead they're still horrible at coding in general and still relying on gameguard, a useless anti cheat program that as far as i know has never worked for any of the games that have used it.

So what's probably going to happen if we keep going down this road is sega is going to keep having problems with "wicked users", because they cant code to save their lives, and they're gonna blame everyone but themselves and shut the doors for everyone not in japan, basically forcing everyone but the hackers (who can just use proxies) to either quit or migrate to the english server, allowing sega of america to drop the ball…again. So let's hope something changes soon to prevent us from going down this road, but honestly i doubt it. After all they already blocked AC purchases with the excuse of "slowing down wicked users" despite the fact that everyone knows a true wicked user wouldn't bother spending money on this game in the first place. Please tell me I'm not the only one who saw that as suspicious.

lag sucks

August 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am

@me

>yes, I am a programmer myself, i know its more complicated than just saying “code better” but that’s exactly what they need to do.

Security isn't going to get much better unless the core gameplay becomes more simplistic and dull. There's actually a very good technical reason why the vast majority of MMOs play similar to either World of Warcraft or FPS shooters. Those two particular game styles don't require a lot of network bandwidth, have a high tolerance for latency, and don't have to trust the client program much at all. This is because all the different actions available to the player is actually fairly narrow. They do a good job of hiding this fact by having many cooldown-based skills or lots of different kinds of guns, but those are all basic variations of a scheme that is bandwidth-cheap, not unduly affected by typical latency issues, and doesn't require much trust in the client program.

Action-brawlers like PSO2, Vindictus, etc. are much more difficult to lock down. They require more network bandwidth and client trust because the player has a lot more unpredictable options than a typical WoW-style game or FPS shooter. Things like dodge canceling, Just Guarding, and customizable special attacks that instantly change your movement vector will quickly bloat your network requirements, and have timing requirements that are highly latency-dependent, and thus only feasible when coupled with a large degree of trust in the client program.

AHaA5

August 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

@me ^^ it's not only just u. that's why i'm quitting. goodbye my loli nekomimi yukata wearer and sexy asian bikini wearer TwT

i'm quite disappoint of Sega's backward way of handling thing. well.. actually not just Sega but all japanese game company to be honest. block foreigners and stay inside their shell. u know if they only give us a promise to make and english version on this same server. imagine how many more ppl r willing to buy AC including me. i almost buy AC to get my shop last week but i designed to wait cuz u know thing still unstable and then this happen.

ZMX Model 17809

August 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

Still would like that guide on reporting wicked users.

At this point I would be more than happy with SEGA just blowing up Ship 2 and forcing me to remake my character. Maybe the awful community will get outraged and go screw up some other game.

Maybe that's what SEGA should do, IP-range ban for a week, and once all the ADD ridden children take their meds and forget that there ever was a PSO2, reopen the servers.

Anonymous

August 11th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

From Sakai's blog post, he seems adamant on pigeonholing people into regional servers. He needs to realise that outside of Japan, there's ALOT of moving around. People living in a certain geographic region aren't necessarily natives nor speak the local lingo.

EldrickTobin

August 11th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

Re:gameguard, I remember once reading about some hack or cheat (maybe a whole set?) that REQUIRED gameguard to actually be fully functional AND up to date. When stuff like that pops up -the hacker USES your anti-cheat proggie to load their hacks- it's time to find a different way of doing things.

(IIRC the hack(s) were for PSU, and for all I know bunk but…)

Blaze

August 11th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

You know Its funny some of the Japanese players are defending the players outside japan.

ZMX Model 17809

August 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

EldrickTobin: Oh there's no doubt about it, Gameguard is notoriously garbage. I despise Punkbuster for how invasive it is, but it at least works on the most simple of memory editors.

Blaze: It really does make me feel better about the whole ordeal knowing that. I try to be nice to literally everyone I play with. It's good to know that maybe the other players feel the same way toward me as well.

But there is also the possibility that they may not be Ship 2 players. Ship 4, 6, and 10 apparently have English players who have upstanding reputations mostly because they are associated with close-knit groups who police themselves.

Mion

August 11th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

First time seeing a reason other than regional licensing that makes a game have IP blocks. The hackers can always use a proxy ==

New classes o.o

Memo

August 11th, 2012 at 11:46 pm

It only takes one person to take the game away for everyone else. This is depressing news, and at this rate its only a matter of time. I don't want to play an Americanized version…

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 12th, 2012 at 2:06 am

@Memo

And it only takes one smart person to mess up that one person plans completely …. Now if only if our smart people are heard. >>

Ganymede

August 12th, 2012 at 10:23 am

@Weird Oregonian

I might also mention that as you mentioned the inappropriate symbol art, most of it was stole from Japanese players, HOWEVER my Guild Leader Alena was playing with a group of Japanese players the other day (she speaks Japanese) and she was told that they are mainly reporting people using inappropriate symbol art, using hacks or exploits, or just being rude in general. Being polite is a very big deal in Japanese culture.

One more thing, this 'anonymous' Japanese player also stated that on Ship 10, at least, several JP players have made characters with English names and just idle in the block 20 lobby so they can report rude or inappropriate users. So as long as you are not rude, or spamming inappropriate symbol art, or using exploits then you will be fine. This player also stated that the majority of the other JP players don't mind that people from overseas are playing at all, they just don't like the rude ones. They also acknowledge the fact that their are JP players that don't play by the rules too and deserve to be punished. They are not exactly singling any one country out.

Advice to everyone: Don't be an asshole, Don't "hack" (pshh, hacks? exploits is more like it.), don't SPAM!! Take a deep breath, everything will be just fine. If you are worried about AC, get a webmoney card. :)

Ganymede

August 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am

Triple Post Fail: Sorry but I had one more thing to say. Soon enough the exploiters/hackers will weed out, slowly but surely, and move on to something else. They always do. Besides most of them are being reported, and as someone else said, if you see someone being rude or using exploits, send SoJ a wicked user report. Even express that you are a player from overseas and you do not condone this kind of behavior. Provide screen shots, chat logs etc. We should be reporting these people as well. Help them out! ^_^

Reira

August 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

@Ganymede Is your guild a friendly guild that helps newbies as well? If so i was wondering if i could join. What ship/server are you guys on

Ganymede

August 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

Oh and maybe learn a few simple phrases in japanese such as, Thank you, and Congratulations. Or Nice to meet you. Things like that. Express to the JP players that “I’m sorry, I don’t understand much Japanese, may I still play with you”

You could use google translate as well, I suppose. :)

Emiya

August 12th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

Gonna admit that I side with Ganymede here. I joined a 4 player team (and 3 of them are JP players). One of them worried that I got IP blocked (since I got busy with RL and didn't online for few nights) :x

Ship 2 if you're wondering, and I rarely visit B-20 unless needed, or my EN friends are there. Mentioned that I use machine to speak JP, and they are okay with it.

Ganymede

August 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

Emiya, I think you are the only sane person in this thread. These people are so f'ing paranoid. Go ahead and scare yourselves to death, I'll be playing PSO2.

Ganymede

August 12th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

As I said, 'Being polite is a very big deal in Japanese culture.' So be nice, don't spam, and don't use exploits and you won't be reported. That simple. Again, help the JP community out by submitting Wicked User reports with pictures, chat logs, etc. to weed out these idiots. I don't believe for one second that instead of just account banning the undesirables that SoJ would just ban EVERYONE outside of Japan. Not logical. At all.

Saruish 「Ship 7」

August 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

@Ganymede Actually I kind of agree with yea as well.

Randgrith

August 12th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

"@Ganymede Is your guild a friendly guild that helps newbies as well? If so i was wondering if i could join. What ship/server are you guys on"

Bumped the request, since I'm interested myself.

Ken

August 13th, 2012 at 6:25 am

As some of you are aware of, hacking and cheating has become one of very hot topics among Japanese players at this moment (since weekend). Now there are so many videos uploaded on the internet regarding this problem (although Sage has tried to delete those). If you understand Japanese, I recommend to go to Japanese players BBS site to know what hell is going on.

I guess Sega might take action on this Wednesday in worst scenario.

anonymous

August 13th, 2012 at 6:49 am

"I recommend to go to Japanese players BBS site to know what hell is going on."

could you put the site link here please?

So where is it?

August 13th, 2012 at 7:04 am

@Ken

You're not being very clear. There is no official Japanese PSO2 BBS site, and the closed beta BBS doesn't exist anymore. So which BBS are you talking about?

IceCoffin

August 13th, 2012 at 7:27 am

@Reira @Randgrith @Ganymede From the sound of it, Ganymede is on the same team as I am, on Ship 10. I'm not 100%, but I'm guessing it is so, considering he mentioned Alena.

It's a pretty huge team, but our leader (Alena Zouryx), and several others (including myself) are perfectly open to helping new players out, and being inclusive. Just be polite, and get to know us! I've progressed a lot, and have made plenty of friends. :D

Nilok

August 13th, 2012 at 7:48 am

@Ricardo, so you're saying these classes and the subclasses are two separate things and that you believe the classes coming out next month are more in line with advanced classes. Does that sound about right?

Ricardo

August 13th, 2012 at 8:29 am

He didn't even call them "advanced" classes yet. These classes are new classes that follow in line with the old classes and you'll get the new weapon categories.

According to his timeline:

September : 3 new classes 5 new weapon categories.

October: Level cap 50 and this is where he dropped that hint " _ _ b _ l a s s"

If he wants you to level up multiple classes, I believe these new classes aren't subclasses on their own but can eventually be appended as a subclass (Or subclasses are a separate thing)

IceCoffin

August 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am

Hmmm, curiouser and curiouser…. So, you're saying that they are full "classes-classes", and not subclasses?

I dig that! It will definitely make the game more interesting, definitely….

Ganymede

August 14th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Yesh, IceCoffin and I are on the same team, the Zouryx Empire. :) Sounds like Ice pretty much summed it all up. We hang out on Ship 10 in various blocks. If you are interested in joining I'm sure we could run it by Alena, just give one of us your in-game name and we'll try to meet up. ^_^

Nilok

August 14th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

@Ricardo, well I get it that he hasn't called them that, but the current classes seem to have only half a skill tree. in particular I'm looking at force which still doesn't have skill trees for wind, light or dark. I guess time will tell on that one.

Ricardo

August 14th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

It makes sense that's where the next skill tree is going *Unless he has more classes planned for next year*

Perhaps

Fighter: Knuckles / Double Saber / Daggers / (something)

Gunner: Mech Guns / (something) / (something?)

Techer: Wand / (something) / (something?)

If he does it this way everything is balanced with the old classes but I wonder if he's changed his mind on things previously mentioned.

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For DREDD – I’ve been offline so I didn’t respond.It’s not rare for someone to be a Tank.Human+Hunter+w/e melee class=Tank.If you mean you can do lots of damage on a “single” target with Hunter with a Hunter weapon:congrats.
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For KWT – My computer does the same thing. If you don’t want to wait for the download to finish (or are dcing while waiting like I was): go to the configuration settings and turn off the big screen videos all together. Sega is investigating the issue (http://pso2.jp/players/support/measures/?id=3406).
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For KWT – 2nd by terminating the download directly, its possible to terminate the download because the game and the download IP are 2 different IP, the game IP usually are 210.129.209.*:* where the * is random number, but note that the game will try to re-download again if u do this if u re-enter the lobby by any way, including from Campship
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For KWT – 1st depend on ur connection wait for the download to get finish and do not changing block u can check the bandwith usage of ur connection to determine it finish or not, normally PSO use 0,13kb/s with no people around up to 5-8kb/s with people around
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For KWT – i had the same problem, its downloading Promotional movie to show on the widescreen
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