"Naberius overgrown by pants." Overgrown pants are scary. >.<;

lol Ricardo you can delete this if corrected. ^.^

i have some questions:

1)are you getting passive bonuses from subclass too?

for example, if you main Fighter and get Hunter as subclass, do you get Automate halfline? or its active skills only

2)how is character stats going to be calculated?

3)there will be some weapons that fits multiclass like double sabers for fomar or ranger weapons for hucaseal?

4)wonder is they expand class skill trees for lvl 50 too

thank you very much, Ricardo

not only for this answer, but for your blog and everything what you doing for community, you are the man

So, if you picked a force subclass as a hunter/ranger would you need to equip a force weapon thats usable by everyone to use shifta/resta, or would it enable casting techs via the sub-action pallet (Like if you equip a gunslash as a force – can still use the techs)

I'm hoping its the second one, just to make it easier to use support techs as a hunter. Regardless, this subclass patch I've been waiting for ages – finally bringing back the Hunewearl from old <3

I think the only viable subclass combinations so far are:

Fighter sub-hunter

Gunner sub-ranger

Techer sub-force

Other combinations are for fun or experimental but the way the skill trees are looking i think these classes are made for each other.

Cshard might have it right; I'm not impeded at all in my plan of going Ranger/Techer. Techs can be used on any weapon provided you can use Techs, so I should be able to Shifta/Deband/Resta/Anti without switching from my Rifle. Which means I keep my Weak Bullets. I even get a 20% boost from my Techer stats!

Just like I thought, a whole lot of people are going to need additional skill trees. I don't need Wand Gear if I'm not using a Wand, after all…

My question is: do both of your classes get exp? If I'm 40 Ranger, 6 Techer and go to Floating Continent (Hard), will my Techer half start playing catch-up? If so, the whole "unlock at Lv30" requirement just got a whole lot less severe.

so can i have my sword out and use the force skills that arent jsut buffs?

@Riiko : Exactly. I can't sub Hunter or Fighter as a Force or Techer, and still use the full extent of my new abilities. In the meantime, everyone now has techs, so what makes tech users unique now aside from rods/wands/cards? Techs only Force/Techer can use? If I want any hunter weapons I have to change my main class completely.

I'll reserve final judgement for when subclasses are out and when classes are finalised, but right now, it looks like a really bad situation for forces.

Whats the point of playing force then? They should have had level limits like in PSO Ep1&2 for techs, so that forces don't get screwed over.

Obviously the techs damage will be weaker, but every class will now have shifta, deband, etc pretty much at full power.

It doesn't seem like forces get anything in return outside of techer.

Aryube was right.

only one class that really wants to sub force is techer.

and even then, it would be better reverse way and main force, not techer, because rods are much better than wands.

but.. even as force there nothing really good to take from techer besides poison ignition

The 'Ruins' looks like a wreckage of a giant ship or something. Most interesting.

Subclasses seem like a bust unless you go for certain, specific combinations. Fighter/Gunner seems like a good one. Was going to go Fighter/Hunter, but there's no point now.

As for the rare bosses, I'm glad they're going the way of PSP2 and making faster/stronger color variants. That's pretty cool.

"and there just no reason to sub techer or force as hu/ra too those who are so happy to be hunewearl subbing force"

Unless you are, for some reason, not optimizing. I'm going Ranger/Techer because I loved RAmarl and Guntecher in PSO and PSU respectively. You might ask, "Why not Gunner/Techer?" but Gunner doesn't have the support of Weak Bullet and Jellen Shot (and the other crappy bullets, I guess). If I want to play that class in PSO2 I'll have to sub Techer.

Shifta/Deband used to work on equipment stats as well, so I'm writing it off as a bug with the current build of the game. Shifta and Deband Advance do next to nothing right now, so I'll assume that will be addressed later as well. Theoretically, subbing Techer should be better support than subbing Force.

Also, subbing Hunter and taking Fury Stance for S-Atk not only helps only *you* (and not the party) but lowers your defenses immensely. I guess it works if you play alone.

Was planning on going Fighter/gunner for this, but losing out on the weapon classes puts a damper on that especially since afaik there isn't a universal twin machine gun, and excluding bouquet rifle which has horrible numbers at this point, there aren't any rifles either.

Anyway for people complaining about how everyone can use techs, with the exception of support techs, nothing will be viable for damage tech wise as a hunter. that 20% boost to stats is fairly minor when you look at the fact that non force classes have fairly low T Atk. an extra 20% couples wit hthe lack of force weapons means a lvl 40 HU would have trouble keeping up with even a lvl 20 Force for damage. There just wont be much point to anything but supports. Also that 20% likely is based on the sub class' base stats (sans mag) which will also mean they're taking a hit to S atk potential. if you want shifta that bad, go for it, but it seems like a real waste of a subclass unless you're soloing.

lastly I doubt the subclass will gain exp. it might get a percentage of it, but based on how much they seem to love making you run the same mission for no real reason, they're likely to make you level each class individually

Planned on tossing running a GU subbed with RA anyway. I'll be taking that WB and Weak Hit Advance 1&2 stacked on top of a Chain Counter with maxed Chain Finish, thank ye very much <3

@Nilok: There IS an all-class mechgun. It's called:

アレスヴィス

I would rather have access to all weapons from the subclass than the 20% bonus stats thing, I actually would rather have no bonus stats from the subclass at all, enemies die fast already. ._.

I wish I knew Japanese now though, so I could complain about this. Unless Japanese players shared my point of view though, I doubt my opinion would matter at all anyway…

@weeaboo: About subbing as ranger, weak bullet needs a rifle, and right now the only rifle that can be used by all classes is the limited available bouquet rifle, which was only available for those who completed the pre-open beta desert quest. Unless they release more weapons that can be used by all classes, there are many that just won't be able to use weak bullet even with sub ranger.

Sword Surfing confirmed.

sega seems to have missed the point here. okay so you can mix non-weapon-related skills. well… that leaves most of hu/fi out of being something worth subbing. only people who completed things in the pre-ob or spent insane money buying bouquets from them will be able to sub ranger to any real benefit if they're not maining gunner…meanwhile the only actual loss in subbing techter is wand/gear, and ultimately if you're going fo+te then you're not likely in it for that anyway. if you go te+fo then you get that and lose the stronger casting weapon. at least that's an okay trade since it's a matter of where in the fight you want to be standing, but outside that?

let's see. hu+fi combos for stat ups and stances (though they'll probably see to it that you can't stack stances period so the benefit of that part will be dubious)… gu+ra to mix weakbullet and chain (people on this side of the pond will DEFINATELY whine about that)… fo+te mix is the least hamstrung because their main stuff is all weapon-independant.

I imagine people will be hesitant about combining stuff other than the basics, because there's so very few universal rares out there. half of them aren't even things that drop, and then… it's hard to take yourself seriously with bouquet rifle, mic stand, or space tuna, and that universal machinegun set is fugly. on top of that, being rares, that means doudou's brokenass RNG will be right there to make it cost more than it should to get them up to snuff. not that they really can be, because most of the universal stuff kinda sucks.

sure, there's some benefits to things like what they showed, taking chain for a melee class or what, but on the whole… I find it hardly compelling. and that 20% bonus seems like something suspiciously likely to not count as part of your base stats, thus rendering it no help with the eternal quest for better gear.

hopefully the jp playerbase will have enough complaint to get something done to make this more flexible. even if it's like… making more ability-dependant stuff and making it all universal, or something. <<;

I'll take my hunter/fighter with maxed out S-Atk and S-Def, thank you very much!

Not happy with the weapon restriction at all, but meh, take what I can get…

looks like your EXP combines when you sub, there is like 1 frame in the video before it cuts scene where the exp stacks to like 132k lol

also, whuts up with that FI using chain trigger, without mechs?

just casts it and uses double saber to make a chain, implying implications?

ooh i see

thnaks for the clarification! ><

Certain skills also apply to certain attacks:

-Just Attack Bonus on Hunters doesn't apply to techniques cause techniques get their own version in the Force skill tree. It might apply to shooting attacks.

-Standing Snipe on Rangers only applies to shooting attacks.

-Zero Range Advance on Gunners only applies to shooting attacks.

are some examples.

Interesting things to muse about:

-Does Charge PP Revival work with Sword's chargeable Photon Arts?

-Does Aerial Advance work with Twin Dagger's attacks?

the weapon restriction (that weapons of the class you pick as your sub class can't be used) is kind of disappointing.

I'm sure if a lot of JP players complain about it, that some of those restrictions might be lifted in the future. I am sure I'm not the only one that would like to play Hunter-Fighter and still be able to use double sabers for example. Limiting some the weapon catagories from the second class would be A lot more fair; (like Hunter-Force can use Talis but not rods, Force-Hunter can use wired lances and partisans but not Swords) for example.

Honestly, I'm extremely happy with the way it turned out. Subbing Ranger ought to give my Gunner another 70-100 RATK which is always welcome. I had to think for a minute how much it'd actually apply since it'd be minus the mag and whatnot. Well, at Lv50 with the +5 SP you could have a massive amount of RATK on your Gunner. Would be great for Very Hard.

ultimate tank <3

HU sub TE

yeah the new "Ruins" does SEEM like an old wreckage of a Pioneer ship from PSO.

@Icronvot I suddenly have an interest in the force class.

Again, people aren't reading the skills! From the Gunner tree the 'PP Restorate' only applies to shooting attacks. The 'Aerial Advance' is only if the enemy is in the air (not yourself). For the last time it is not viable to sub any other class but: Fighter sub-HU, Gunner sub-RA, Techer sub-FO. Just read the skills properly in each skill tree and you'll see why.

This doesn't really make sense. The only viable explanations that don't go by SEGA being a bunch of idiots thinking that people is going to seriously enjoy picking bouquets or tunas as their weapons of choice are 2 IMO, and I don't dare yet to hope on any of them:

1) That we're getting some sort future "grade shop" that will allow to modify the weapon proficiencies of our classes somehow like in PSPo2i, so we will be able to unlock our subclass weapons or maybe exchange some of them for some of our main's weapons.

2) that we're getting a series of more regular "free for all" weapons that might even feature several modifications to stat restrictions and maybe given stats to balance those subclasses better than if they just had access to normal weapons.

I had my hopes up that they wouldn't fuck this game off, and I don't wanna give up yet, but my tolerance for bullshit towards sega has gotten a bit shorter since PSU.

Wow good thing we have someone here to decide for us how to play with our classes and how not to play.

Maybe it was my subconscious at 5am in the morning.

@Ricardo: Lol that's kinda what some of us believe. <_<

@cshard: I would actually like the second way better, or maybe both. I'm kinda annoyed that I wouldn't be able to use my favorite FO weapons as subclass, but in any case, I believe they could do a very nice system by adding "weird stat weapons", like swords with high TATK and other stuff like that. I just hope they don't likit the whole thing to stupid weapons, because I'd like not having to play for the rest of the game using a Duel Gaze and a Mic Stand as my FO weapons.

They may even change skill's descriptions or make the skill work differently than the description. Like dagger's gear saying it increases PA's damage, but it increases normal attacks' damage too.

What I'm bothered about is that evasion movements are locked to the weapon type rather than your class. Would love being able to do Step with Wands.

But still, I'm grateful. At least I'll be able to create my dream Paladin/Magic Knight-esque classes. Screw efficiency and viability, I play to have fun.

SEGA, my body is ready.

I wish they focused exclusively on adding new maps and diffuculty levels, new level caps and such instead of these lame features that do not even count as "content"… They need to realize that the game is boring as hell as it is, it needs more challenge :l

@Darki: At least you still have the Duel Gaze. ^_^ There's no equivalent for daggers yet. If only they'd made the Bloody Art and most of the Nacht weapons all class weapons instead of such an eclectic mix.

You and I seem to have a similar but reversed problem. I want to use Daggers with my Force, and you want to use Rods/Cards/Wand with your melee character. :3

I wouldn't mind both methods, mind you, but given a choice between no restirctions, save for how I spec my character, and being forced to use an alternative subset of weapons just to use the weapons I want, I'd say the answer is a no brainer for me.

@Lexshue: Rather than lamenting that the game is ruined, I think most people are lamenting that because of these restrictions, their future enjoyment of the game may have been curtailed. I'm still going to play, and depending on how the update actually works out, I'll respec around it. But I'm already disappointed no matter the outcome and that will factor into my future decisions to pump in cash into the game.

As for why I say Fo/Te got the short straw? I'd actually modify that slightly and say that Ra/Gu also got the short shrift to an extent. Hu/Fi can now access most, if not all techs, use chains and weak hit advance, and even break out a bouquet rifle briefly to shoot a weak bullet. They've even got a nice card to bolster their lower T-Atk. Note that Fo/Te is primarily based around the uniqueness and power of their techs, not how fancy their weapons are, and Hunter now has full access to them. Whether or not those techs will be powerful enough is another matter altogether.

In return, we merely get Guard/Fury Stance, Brave/Wise Stance and a handful of joke weapons plus some decent ones. The biggest draw of the Hunter classes, the myriad weapon types are completely cut out of the picture, as are most of their PAs because we can't use the weapons. Only the ranger tree is decent for subclassing because of traps/grenades, and weak bullet/chaining, and we don't need ranger weapons for most of those.

It's still early days and Sega/Sakai may indeed have plans to add ways for us to use more weapon types in future, but until that happens, I can't help but feel that they've just made my favourite class redundant yet again.

Agree with Fuhrer, I remember people dissing traps and then someone made a build based on that anyway proceeding to own a ragne. Just give it time and people will come with unusual yet amazing combinations.

Anyway, what would you guys think happens to skills we have in both classes we choose? Say I decide for HU/FI and have [S-atk up 1] maxed in both. Now common sense would say I get the bonus from both, ending with 100 S-atk from the skill tree.

Now imagine I got [Just Reversal] in both, so I have [Step Advance] at lvl 3, would it mean 0.22s invunerability? That's more than [Step Advance] maxed with just 6 points used.

Or in another case, say for some reason I decide to max [Step Advance] would it mean 0.40s invunerability?

My guess is it would only work with the universal Gunslash or a Universal HU/FI weapon. Also nice post there Fuhrer.

The point half of this community seems to be missing is that SEGA doesn't HAVE to do anything. They could just be like "Screw you guys, this is what we did so either like it or gtfo because we still have our JP playerbase who will stick with the game". They're actually trying to work on things so that players can be happy, and all most of you want to do is Q~Q about how such and such is unfair?? If I were Sakai I'd take the servers down for a month to teach you all some gratitude -_-

As far as the whole new content bit being added, you've obviously never coded. Speaking from their perspective, the fact that they can even manage to push out content the way they do speaks to their experience and dedication to this game.

Plus you're not thinking from a business standpoint. If I gave you everything at once and you did it, you have no reason to come back to my game. By regularly adding newer content at set intervals and giving people something to look forward to, you're attracting new players as well as getting older ones to return.

All in all, SoJ is doing a fantastic job with PSO2. I suggest that instead of complaining, you enjoy the fact that they haven't region locked this game and enjoy your time. We are after all merely guests.

Adding on to my previous post, if you want to talk about us being foreigners and guests on the game, I asked around in Japanese and people ARE complaining about subclass weapon locks. It's not like we're demanding regional releases this very moment…

The part regarding complaints about lack of content was actually, addressed toward just one comment in this entire topic. Could be more, but honestly I decided to skip most comments after seeing that most of them were just comments about how bad the subclass system was implemented (which I disagree with either way). And in actual fact, outside of this post, I have seen tons of comments in other sites regarding PSO2's "lack of content".

I was just a little peeved by the comment regarding how all of these new things are "lame features not do not even count as 'content'". As a programmer myself (and amateur independent game developer), I would feel very disappointed to see people playing my games to say that. True, complaints like those would be inevitable, but it doesn't change the fact that they sting.

And while it's true that I've been making blanket assumptions that opinions have been by far, negative, just from comments in this post, but I can't help but assume so because I see them everywhere else (Twitter, Facebook, forums, even in-game). And that's not to say it comes only from the English audience; I've seen them from Japanese gamers as well so it really does get annoying after a while.

And as to why I said it wasn't really a restriction, it would make sense that some weapons only are 'equippable' by certain classes, subclasses or not. If you give everyone the ability to equip any weapon, there wouldn't be characteristics and specialization anymore. They never said subclasses were supposed to give players flexibility over what weapons they wanted to use to begin with.

I'll admit, it would feel being restricted from one's standpoint if he wants to go with say, a dagger/wand build, but (in my opinion, my apologies) giving everyone the capability to equip anything just simply doesn't cut it.

I've seen a comment in a different game discussion (the new releases in the BlazBlue series if you want to know), and that points me in an interesting direction:

"People bitch about this and that before the sequel came out, but when it comes out people still play and praised the features and in less than a year, everyone became fans and the complaints became history."

A little sidetracking but I wanted to say this:

As a game developer myself, I have to say that while datamining does point out some things that are related to whatever would come in the future, do take note that it doesn't really mean anything as I could just disregard the data as it ever existed. Happened in tons of games, and wouldn't surprise me if it happens here. Subclasses are nothing but advantages to us gamers, if you consider the fact that they could just take it out entirely (prior to making the announcement, of course).

My last point which I've been stressing on several times in and out of this post:

SEGA IS making an effort. People make suggestions every now and then, and Sakai actually bothers paying attention to them from time to time. If they didn't, they wouldn't have prepared such a long and detailed survey and resort to giving out free FUN tickets just so that people would do the survey.

Well the good thing is that last night he addressed the subclass system scarce all-class weapon problem. So I'll have that posted later today.

One thing I'm really wondering is how the combination system is going to work here. Say you choose a GU/RA, but later wish to switch over to a GU/FO. Is SEGA going to lock in these subs with the mains as soon as we choose them, meaning that when we choose that main we only get our previous choice of sub?

Would be a good way to make people buy AC. Want to switch your subclass to something else? Pay up kiddies