Tuesday August 7, 2012 22:39

PSO2 JP: Japanese Connections Only!

Posted by Ricardo

There is now a clause in the PSO2 JP Terms of Service that mentions that the connection to the game server is restricted to only those within Japanese territory. It is prohibited to connect directly to the game server outside of Japan as well as connect via a Japanese computer terminal outside of Japan.

In other words, they do not want foreign connections to the game anymore. If you are playing outside of Japan it’s best you stay low and quiet. This clause was once mentioned before in the Closed Beta test but was removed and has now returned.

132 Responses to PSO2 JP: Japanese Connections Only!

Bahn

August 7th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

This is the exact same clause they put in the CBT. It was removed in the OBT, then put back in now. You might want to add that part.

Lyrah

August 7th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

the only way to know for sure is after maintenance

yoyo

August 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

PSO2 has lag problems. I guess it's the fault of the foreign devils! They're lagging our servers, it's not that our programmers need to work harder! It's always the foreign devil's fault!

At least speed up the US release and promise that updates/areas will release at the same time as the Japanese version. And let us transfer our characters and banks. Otherwise, this is just awful.

Stand up sons of lib

August 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

Gentlemen,

If the worst comes to pass and all our efforts were for naught – all our purchased AC – all our money and time were for naught – then we must make a statement.

We will not be shut out anymore, we will not tollerate Japanese servers getting exclusive items and getting updates six months to a year earlier. In the past SEGA has hidden behind the pretense of Sega America being at fault.

I tell you this – NO. Sega Japan is the head company. If there is a problem with Sega America, it's their fault. They bark down the orders, set the resources, authorise the expenditures. It's Sega of Japan's fault.

They have treated us horribly as fans in the past with PSO through to Phantasy Star Portable 2. We will not be second class players. We are not at the bottom of a Xenophobic Japanese caste system. We will not be ignored, we will be heard.

So, on the eave of this posibility, I hereby suggest we prepare a mass DDoS attack on PSO2's servers if we outside of Japan lose access. If we cannot play, NO ONE WILL.

Let us take up our arms in hope, hope that no bigotry will appear, that we will not be banned. let us hope for the best but prepair to show them hell if they dare try this.

Rise up ye Champions, AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!

You and yours,

Anonymous

Charade

August 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

@yoyo

Do you have any proof to back up what you're suggesting? I'm sorry but your comment can be construed as bigotry. And you are asking for way too much. If you can't realize that, then you are setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment.

Overall, I am just going to lay low and pray for the best. It's just a game, and a fairly easy game to boot. It's incredibly painless to start a new character on PSO games than other online RPGs imo.

Charade

August 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Is this really what the American PSO community is like? I wouldn't fault Sega JP for wanting us out then.

sigh

yoyo

August 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

My comment is bigotry? Pointing out bigotry is bigotry now apparently.

Asking for too much when I've spent hundreds of dollars? I disagree. I think you're expecting too little.

Ricardo

August 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

The best thing you can do at this point is just lay low and communicate outside the game. There's isn't a need for a DDoS attack to further ruin relations.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

My guess is this is their response to the English patch

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

@Ricardo, i agree there's no need for a DDoS attack, but if you ask me they've pretty much ruined relations on their own. The whole notion leaves a bad taste in my mouth and if we can't play JP side, I'm not sure I'd want to play US side. I mean they're basically telling us they don't want our money. If that's really how they feel we should be sure not to give it to them – ever.

JC

August 7th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

@yoyo

They won't speed up the release and no they won't allow transfers, that's just silly. Sega doesn't like to put effort into things. That data is going to stay in Japan.

MissNina

August 7th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Interesting, do you think they're actually going to enforce this? And what does lay low mean exactly? lol

Ricardo

August 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

I don't believe we're getting an IP ban however it can turn into a witch hunt.

Yuki-chan

August 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

@Anonymous: you're really retarded.

Well, I don't want to abandon the JP server. Looks like it is better to stay quiet. Well, I never liked AFKing nor chatting in the lobbies, so I'll just remove my auto-words.

yoyo

August 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

I wouldn't agree with a dos attack either (I don't even know what one is outside of the attack part giving away its an attack) but yeh I hope sega treats us right.

I still think they should let us transfer if they actually do put a proper IP ban up.

franstormer

August 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

love to see how u guys butthurt about this <3

-Z-

August 7th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

I'm left wondering the kind of sad lack-of-a-life it takes to be amused by other people's grievances.

Elyza

August 7th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

So they want to limit the number of players who play on their servers and reduce the amount of money they can earn? Ok, SEGA, you've lost me. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you trying to kill this game?

Yuki-chan

August 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Even if it isn't an IP ban, the idea that we have to hide in the dark recesses of the game is insane. my friends and I play lag free 99% of the time. Why even add this clause in at this point except to cut themselves off and force us to play on the US side? if that's really how they want it, they should offer incentives for switching over, not tell us we're not welcome there.

If they actually IP ban us, I'll probably boycott Sega. If you want to speak out against their backwards way of doing things and poor treatment of the overseas consumer market, we have to do it with our wallets. Tell them kicking us out and taking our money is basically theft and we wont support a company that takes part in it.

Kizer497

August 7th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Ouch, this sucks. I just spent like 35 bucks, owell. I hope the west side actually gets the updates and stuff so I wont have to play the jp side lol. I really did not see this coming, I meen any other jp online game like this didnt go that far, this totally sucks. Honestly, how exacly do u lay low, no disrespect but um I dont think we really can lol.

M3rror

August 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

Relax peoples, nothing is going to happen. This is no different from the Alpha or Beta tests. You can still speak english. There are english speaking citizens who live in japan you know :P

psokid

August 7th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

While this is interesting I do have a few points I'd like to bring up.

Why would the add this into the ToS at this point in time now? Seems odd to just through it in there for no reason, right?

Also I have a feeling this may be the reason for foreign Visa cards recently not being accepted on the JP Sega AC purchasing site.

As well I would like to point out this same clause was in the CBT because it was a closed beta game and they didn't want others outside of Japan testing the game. Which is why the Beta keys were available mainly in japan, and I believe you had to import items to get a key. To put this clause back into the ToS during the full release does seem to be very strange, as wanting to limit access outside of Japan during a full release game doesn't make much sense to me.

I hope some of this will get cleared up when the servers come up or right from Sega themselves here soon.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

We don't know until the servers come back up. saying everything will be fine is just as wrong as assuming we're all dead in the water

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

@psokid I'm pretty sure this is their way of trying to toss us over to the US servers which aren't available and wont be available for another 5 months at minimum

djecliptik

August 7th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Guys, you do know that they don't support English players, right? That's exactly why they aren't going to translate the JPN client into English. Unofficially, you can find something floating around on google, however, did you guys really think this wasn't going to happen eventually?

Let us hope that SOA/SOE will be able to give us the version that JPN has… and hope that game culturalization, won't take out the good stuff.

Aldermar

August 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

The ToS is nothing but words. Get it over with and you're fine. Besides, if someone did get IP banned, then we'll worry about it. That is IF SEGA ever does IP ban.

You guys make other peeps lol too much.

ECM

August 7th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

FYI: English patch break the game so I hope you backed up your original files.

Yuki-chan

August 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

"As well I would like to point out this same clause was in the CBT because it was a closed beta game and they didn’t want others outside of Japan testing the game. Which is why the Beta keys were available mainly in japan, and I believe you had to import items to get a key."

I played in the CBT just fine =D

psokid

August 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

@Nilok – Yeah i see your point, and adding this in there so late just seems strange and may be somewhat of a response to a few of the well… English related activities that have been going on.

Like most other have said I highly doubt they will do anything to enforce it, but this is just my own personal speculation. We wont know anything til it happens.

Yuki-chan

August 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

@ECM: the guys at PSUMODS are full aware and they posted that updates can break the english patch. Let's wait a updated patch.

Kizer497

August 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Like some said, lets just wait and see what happens. Hopefully we wont have to worry about anything, HOPEFULLY.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

@psokid: exactly. this seems to me like they're worried that too many people will refuse to go to the US servers and that the US/EU release will do poorly due to the majority of the player base being on the japanese side. I maintain though that this is more alienating than encouraging. They could offer incentives to switch. "we can't switch your data over, but here's some free AC, and exp/meseta/drop rate boosters to get you started. now gtfo"

Kizer497

August 7th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

come on now u know they wont do that lol.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

I said it would be smarter, I know for fact they wont. The point i was making is there are better ways to move people off the servers when the time comes than to run us out and close the gates.

Aster

August 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

You guys should have known by now that things like this was going to happen, as an avid player of JP and KR games, they IP block outsiders for a reason.

Pockets

August 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

Wonder if anyone will really be banned outside of Japan. Guess I'll keep my yap shut from public chat.

Azekuro

August 7th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

Well, time to lay low and put those years of self-taught Japanese to use!

Lol XD

Pockets

August 7th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

:| Sucks man, now I need to wait for a new english patch.

cisen01

August 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

D: i am feeling a NA release without dual audio … and less costume's :S

EldrickTobin

August 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

(adding to Nilok) Especially since they are paying attention to what all the English community is doing.

(my mumblings) I'm hoping it just didn't make an earlier revision of the TOS, and that it's more a "keep your nose clean or BAM faster than you can dust off a futon you're out" style clause for a toss without warning or appeal. Well if you could appeal if you were in Japan in the first place…

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

you know aside from the story I can play 90% of this game without much need for guides or translations. I realize the patch helps, but if you guys apply yourselves you probably wouldn't feel much need for it at all

Beef Bowl

August 7th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

Beef Bowl does not approve of this PSO2 update.

*cough*

I hope they don't block out people, though. I just got back into PSO2, too. :L

Azekuro

August 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

@Nilok, very true. I actaully got confused a bit at some parts after the eng patch.

Rhyono

August 7th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

@Nilok If they actually felt like it, they could move your characters between servers easily. If at any point they claim it can't be done: they are blatantly lying.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

Of course they'd be lying. But consider this: by the time the game comes out stateside, the JP side will have the lvl cap raised to 50, possibly 60 and the contest released will be at minimum 6 months behind JP. How do you propose they handle that? Not happening. You'd lose so many items and so much progress after the clean-up and why should they write algorithms for that?

The reality is they would either have to start the US servers with the same content as the JP severs have at the time or roll back your character by 5 months. it's one of those two things or they start you from zero. What do YOU think they'd prefer to do?

rhaditsu

August 7th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

if the worst scenario happen. i guess i have to wait till official US released. and i hope they didnt change the audio 。・゚・(*ノД`*)・゚・。

Zirren

August 7th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

I don't know why so many people think they're entitled to be able to play this game. SoJ owns the game and their business, and they can run it however they want. The consequences of how they run it are another matter, and that's how we, the consumers, can speak out using our wallets and time. Unfortunately, the fact is that some things just aren't fair, and no amount of whining is going to change that.

If they do IP ban us, they will lose money both immediately from PSO2jp and from alienating people in general. The way that a company works is usually by simple cost/benefit analyses. That is to say, is it worth more money to ban all the non-JP players or to keep them? Well some non-JP players are causing problems on the servers, but most of those problems are rather harmless (or would be if Sega hadn't indiscriminately banned people without investigation). I highly doubt many people are actually going to quit because an English-speaking hacker made them run super fast for a while. It does leave open the question of future damaging exploits – remember that duping really hurt (but not killed) the PSOGC community – but banning the foreigners isn't going to stop that if people from Japan can get a hold of and use duping exploits. Either way though, for now, nothing bad is happening due to foreigners playing.

On the other hand, many foreigners ARE paying for AC, and while some banks may be declining transactions and causing some problems for Sega, they are almost certainly still gaining more money from foreigners than it costs to handle those bank refusal problems.

That said, it certainly costs a lot of money to officially release the Japanese client in the west. It would require translation, localization, and wading through a ton of legal red tape to make sure the game adheres to all the laws of all countries it's available in. They'd also have to officially support the game in those countries, which means an English website with English translations for every event and an English support team. All of this for the foreign players who play on the Japanese servers and probably number under a few thousand, if that.

The bottom line is that an IP ban would cost them a lot more money than it would gain them because no one is quitting from the fact that foreigners are playing on the JP servers, but setting up an English site for the JP servers would take way too much time and money without enough financial return to be beneficial. Basically what the clause is there for is to say, "if you're not playing from Japanese soil and something breaks, it's not our responsibility, legal or otherwise, to handle it because you were playing illegally".

Of course, this wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal if SoA was as good as SoJ…

…Or if the English-speaking community didn't have a lot of awful people (I say as I read some above comments and the PSO-world forums).

Derpasaur

August 7th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

What should I do if I just purchased Premium? Literally less than a week ago, maybe 3 days ago.

Whip

August 7th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Oh god . . . my 5000 AC

Ricardo

August 7th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

Play normally, just don't bring negative attention to yourself.

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

You guys need to relax. Start freaking out in two and a half hours if you can't log-in due to having your account banned.

xCHINCHILLAx

August 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

I love how some people think we are butthurt about this… Well I am kinda butthurt because I have spent money on this games in-game currency so why wouldn't I get upset… But I think now I am just going to friggen forget it for now and just wait it out until we get the game… But I have a feeling we are going to get fucked over when that comes out too some how.

Derpasaur

August 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

I'm not freaking out, I just want to make sure I am not getting screwed out of my money, because there will be some issues if they ban me AFTER I purchased my premium prior to this being in the TOS. I try not to be bothersome, but when something is affecting my money, problems arise regardless. I love this game, play fairly and don't draw attention to myself. If I were to get banned before even logging in than I would have to raise a dispute on the payment I made. I do hope they ignore us friendly US players :) I really try hard to do my part in making an effort on the JP servers. For my first few days I self translated everything including the Kanji, until I found this site :) I think that's worth a pat on the back.

Rhyono

August 7th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

@Nilok Is there any reason the US game wouldn't have the current content in full? I thought we were just getting it in bits and pieces because we're in beta and it's still being created.

xCHINCHILLAx

August 7th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

@Zirren … Sega of Japan can take our money and just tell us to go fuck ourselves afterwards because they own the game? Sounds like really great marketing… I guess if we all get region banned they really made a good chunk of money from us in the little time we at least got to play…

Robert

August 7th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

It's promising that the client is updating properly. So I'm just gona crash for the next few n not worry about it.

xCHINCHILLAx

August 7th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

@Rhyono Yeah because the American releases of prior Phantasy Star games like portable 1 and 2 and universe had a lot of missing content that was in the JP versions. But universe is kinda pointless now sine the servers shut down next month for the 360 in America…

Vsin

August 7th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Hmmm, well if they're passing out IP bans now, that still strikes me as really odd. If they didn't want foreigners in their game, they should've banned us from the start. If they are afraid of diluting the NA/EU release, then they would be better off banning us around the actual release date of the NA/EU servers.

It's not as though we're running rampant, disrupting everyone else. If anything, the non-JP PSO2 community is doing its best to hole itself up into its own private corner. Sure there will be morons who ruin it for us, but I sincerely hope that any company with sense will realize that morons exist in every country.

Saru

August 7th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

Know what they should do is make a integrated main database server.That all the other servers plug in to. This way it doesn't matter where a person from…Then just translate the story and what npc's say. The English patch pretty much does 90% of the game anyway. They wont even have to work hard after that. (they can use google for story translation. I notice you can highlight text from the game and post it there.Tho the translation might not be 100% but it close.)

Zirren

August 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

@xCHINCHILLAx

Yeah, that's my point. They can do that, but it would be really stupid. They'd make a good chunk of money off of us, but they wouldn't KEEP making money off of us. That's why they WON'T do it unless they were really stupid.

And just to reiterate, they are not doling out IP bans. Not yet at least.

Also Saru, they already said they won't do that because laws are different in different places, among other reasons.

Joker-Nation

August 7th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

I kinda wish an older game I played would have even the slightest reverence that SEGA JP has cause tbh… this game (some of you may have heard about it, called Tibia, was originally a german based game…. focused on 3 countries or so.. then it got overrun by foreigners and now its unplayable to english speakers lol…) oh well

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

At least we can toss more tables when Sega America decides to pull a PSU on us..

Saru

August 7th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Really? Wonder what laws say that it illegal to make a main server that handles sub server's?… I just thought they haven't thought of it yet.

Zirren

August 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

nyaaa

August 7th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

wonder if sakai reading all this now

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

@Rhyono: They will piecemeal the game out here for two reasons:

A: they don't have to localize the game in bulk this way. They can do the localization in set intervals over time and not have to worry nearly as much about rushing the game out.

B: This is how many online games work. They trickle content in to keep people playing longer. For example, I have a Lvl 40 force who's been lvl 40 for about 2 maybe 3 weeks now. I still use her quite a bit and will continue to use her even though I have a second character. The reason? they have been adding content on a regular basis, giving me reason to keep using her and moving her through the content as it comes. if they were to just have the entire game out at once, I could have burned through most of it by now and had my fill. instead they keep me playing and keep me coming back because there's always something new around the corner. This model keeps players in the game longer which means they'll be paying more money. You trickle content in to string people along more. They will do this like every other online rpg.

>_< u guys!!!?

August 7th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

rly!? ddos threats? you DO know Sakai et al reads this site?

to Ricardo! my sincere thanks for all youve done and do for PSO fans – hope we all reunite in FUN soon.

Saru

August 7th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Oh I see it will be hard for them to do it due to some law issues of handling some cash items..Well I guess that kind of makes sense… I guess…

Mokotan

August 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

I hope everyone can relax until something ACTUALLY happens. I was able to log on fine just now.

Servers are up by the way.

sarah

August 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

isnt there duping now tho? server side run or not seems like ppl r duping – certainly controlling sales

also if SoJ would just put a sale cap on items

plus if you buy/get an item, have a wait period to when you can sale – but maybe they rly dont care about rmt afterall?

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

dude one guy said it and the only people who responded told him to go to hell. Let it go and move on, that's so not the point of discussion here

sarah

August 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

updating now – thx the post ^_^

Ren

August 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

I just finished patching and got in just fine. Perhaps the IP ban(if any) will be for those that are found using mods or reported by Japanese players for their misconduct (i.e, spamming shout bubbles and explicit behavior) in the lobby or in-game.

John

August 7th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

I don't know if it's real or not. But I know the hacking/exploits didn't do any good. You think they want to deal with foreign players causing mayhem? Hell no. Bah. I was so excited for today, I haven't played because I've been waiting for this day to begin. And then the Hatsune Miku thing, ruined. Ugh. Ruined my night.. :c

Kuzuryu

August 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

Hey guys, I managed to login to the game without any problem. Relax. For now anyway.

Maybe you should think twice before you recharge AC again though.

GJ Sega

August 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm

With all the idiots running around with English autochat messages, I wouldn't mind seeing some of them banned.

bravo, sega.

August 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

Well, no IP bans yet on my side. I'm a Japanese living overseas right now, so it would be nonsense if I'm banned from it.

That said, I personally think there are no need for restricting access to only certain countries. Games are made for people to enjoy. What TERA and possibly, Sega/PSO2, did left a bad taste in my mouth, no matter what excuses were given. TERA Online for example, said Asia was blocked from playing because a survey discovered most hackers were from those regions.

And no need for DDOS attacks, it's just plain childish. If really necessary, I think something like a petition would be more appropriate (despite the fact that they could just choose to ignore). Like what Ricardo said, no need to further ruin relations when it's already that bad to begin with.

Just play normal for now.

Shin

August 7th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

First Broomp hacks PSO2, then someone DDos/hacks it. I can't blame Sega for doing something likes. It's a bit much, hey, that's what happens.

don't IP Ban

August 7th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

@GJ Sega

Don't forget about stupid hack and exploit.

Those stupid people always ruining fun for us. Hope that all script kiddies just die and rot in hell.

Saru

August 7th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

@GJ Sega.

Autochat was made for autochatting. if sega didnt want people to use it then they would of took it off… as for those who use English autochat. there are japanese players that can read and talk in english as well some of them use autochat in English as well .

AwesomeG7

August 7th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

From my point of view from what I understand is the new ToS doesn't affect the gameplay aspect as much as it affects the game's social aspect. And as far as I am concerned is, why play a game in fear? Or at all? I shall continue playing as I have been playing, and if I get banned I will have lost all hope of possible hope that SEGA could yet have making a comeback with this game from its loosing streak of terrible platformers because of the simple fact that they do not cater towards the players needs as I need them too. This is a great game so why you gonna screw it up? >:(

Nilok

August 7th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

@Shin wth hell are you talking about? Unless I missed something there was no DDoS Attack. the game was down for maintenance like it is every tuesday. one guy claiming to be the same group who hacked sony suggested we do it

stop freaking out.

bigot

August 7th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

@yoyo

Assuming people are bigoted or xenophobic is just as bad, if not worse, than racial bigotry.

Anonymous

August 7th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

The addition of that clause to the ToS is a subtle wake up call. Remember well you're nothing but guests, even if you shower the hosts with gifts.

GH

August 7th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

You guys can stop crying now, there's no IP ban. I just logged on.

Just don't make an ass of yourself in public.

Azuremelody

August 7th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

Hoping for Sega West to follow up on up to date content is like asking a blind man to drive to his destination. Hopes. Give them up already.

st3alth23

August 8th, 2012 at 12:35 am

This is definitely a bit pants… wish they'd put that clause in sooner rather than later… At least people would have not then spent so many hours and so much money on their characters… can't wait for the western release to hurry up in this case!

If i can't play my character, i'm not totally fussed, only spent 100hrs and £10 on it, barely anything compared to what i used to spend time wise on WoW… Lol

finalzone

August 8th, 2012 at 1:05 am

[quote]That said, it certainly costs a lot of money to officially release the Japanese client in the west. It would require translation, localization, and wading through a ton of legal red tape to make sure the game adheres to all the laws of all countries it’s available in. They’d also have to officially support the game in those countries, which means an English website with English translations for every event and an English support team. All of this for the foreign players who play on the Japanese servers and probably number under a few thousand, if that.[/quote]

Translation can be done by each respective community thus saving cost to Sega of Japan.

Jolly

August 8th, 2012 at 1:25 am

Not really sure what everyone is mad about. They're not entitled to gear towards the western market, that's Sega of America's job. Boycotting Sega isn't gonna help us either, if we really want show SoA that we want this game over here, then we should support their game when it arrives over here. And to those who already spent money on this should have been aware of the risks of playing on a JP MMO since this is a trending thing. Korean MMOs do this too.

Anonymous

August 8th, 2012 at 1:28 am

They prolly made this is to localize the upcoming PSO2 for NA. What can we do if they own it

NekoMaO

August 8th, 2012 at 2:15 am

The Move of IP ban is thanks to those stupid hackers that push the NPC and Player outside of Map Area to get them banned.

This is easily understandable because 80% of the game griefer are foreigner(look at youtube). Englishmen ruining the game play of another Englishmen.

Don't blame Sega, Blame those Hackers that ruining the game of others, this is why Sega prefer not to profit from foreign country because this also invites asshole griefer/hackers to their server and destroying japanese server.

Look at Ship 2 previously, and see how many people banned because of hacker.

Laguna

August 8th, 2012 at 2:19 am

This feels a lot like a Hitler-Jew situation, where we have to hide or we're basically dead. :(

Agrehtan

August 8th, 2012 at 2:24 am

I dont think its quite that serious.

Blame

August 8th, 2012 at 2:43 am

Bleh… just gonna lay low and not try to kick up any fuss. Loved PSO and PSU till I got busy. Hope this game sticks around as long if not longer.

Anonymous

August 8th, 2012 at 2:57 am

bwahahahahhaa! funny how one of you lots commented that we are treated as second class players by Sega of Japan…..bwahahahahaha!, isn't it ironic coming from him when we all knew how Americans always think so lowly of other race specifically Asians, besides even though it's sad if this was actually implemented.you do realize Americans do the same thing like in Elsword.This is what they call Karma.

@NekoMao

those aren't hackers they are crackers.there's a difference between the two.

Hevil

August 8th, 2012 at 3:02 am

I doubt anyone is going to get banned due to there region, on the other hand people who disrupt and cause problems should be banned.

Hevil

August 8th, 2012 at 3:03 am

I doubt anyone is going to get banned due to there region, on the other hand people who disrupt and cause problems should be

Anon

August 8th, 2012 at 3:23 am

I do hope everything stays as it is.

Too many companies disappointed me already. SEGA, on the other hand, is doing it surprinsingly well IMO. The best implementation of F2P + cash shop I've seen so far really makes me happy. Almost everything I think should change on the game happens (dem female chest bones are gone yay).

Now if what they want in the end is to just boot us to a "PROBABLY watered down" western version of the game, I'll just keep the old good memories and sadly add them to my rather long blacklist. I've been with them since '94. My first console was a SEGA 8-bit.

Don't fail me like Blizzard did with D3 a few months ago SEGA do ya hear me!? >.<

IceCoffin

August 8th, 2012 at 3:39 am

I just need to know, does this mean just "No English in General Chat", or no English in all chats"?

We could close off the MPAs, so that we don't bother Japanese players, but at the same time, you don't hear any if the other chats outside of General Chat… And only NPCs (but not Friend Partners) ever can be heard publicly in party chat, I've found.

In the very least, I'm killing off my autowords, since they're pretty annoying, anyway. Especially as soon as I open Hard Mode: I, nor anyone else, is going to want to hear my character shout out about every Emergency Code that happens!

AALIYAH

August 8th, 2012 at 3:52 am

Welp, time to stop being nice, which means, stop greetings everyone that joins my party <_<

Axze

August 8th, 2012 at 4:29 am

I've been a very good citizen to the servers….greeting people who join me. Thanking people for help, even helping new players in Japan.

Ryo

August 8th, 2012 at 6:02 am

If I told a friend of mine that i lost some money on a foreign game, in a language i dont really understand. While feeling entiteled to it, and upset. Hell, i would be the laughing stock for a few days.

Honsetly doh, the game was not created for you guys, and therefore you are not entiteled to it. The fact that we got to play on it at all was kind of them. I expect that updates on the EU/US servers will be like every other MMOs. Something like Vindictus maybe?

Here's a pro tip, stay oblivious to the original servers, then all updated content on your server will feel like new content. Finding gold bars is not that awesome if you knew there was diamonds around. Ignorance is bliss I guess lol :P

Z

August 8th, 2012 at 6:03 am

I think from this point on, there is only one thing we can do about that clause.

Prove to SEGA JP that stereotyping us as "bad seeds" (in relation to symbol art spams, game disruption and bug exploiting among other things) is a bad move.

I am pretty sure that the amount of people who loved… scratch that, the amount of people who likes this game and plays within the rules are WAY MORE than the amount of morons there (who are sad enough to crave attention and recognition from disrupting the game and/or other annoying conduct.)

Call me an optimist, but i believe that it can be done. We can just lock MPA maps and talk in english in that map, talk in team chats or inside someone's room, etc.

I'm not saying that we should kiss SEGA's ass, i'm asking everyone who has an ounce of love for the game and the friends and/or community that is in there to just be natural.

Just play, enjoy the game normally within the boundaries of the rules and always consider that when playing online, it isn't just about you, it's about someone else too.

"Why should i give a f*** about others playing the game?"

Well all i can say is if you actually asked that question, that means you need to socialize more in the right environment.

"It's just a game"

It is, but when you're playing with others it became MORE than just a game.

"F*** you, i'm doing whatever i want, i paid for it"

Then i suppose you can piss inside a crowded bus and think everybody else inside will be fine with it?

"Shut up, stop being a wise ass"

I'm not trying to be one

"You're crazy, girl. You can't change people, especially in the internet"

Well… Mahatma Gandhi, Wright brothers, Albert Einstein and Leonardo da Vinci (among other pioneers in history) was considered crazy too at that time…

Saru

August 8th, 2012 at 6:14 am

@ Z I couldn't agree more. I enjoy the hell out of it just by playing normally. Tho I wish I had more friends on the ship im on(I had to start on that ship((7)) due to a few friends already being there…but they don't get on so im like wtf am i suppose to do with my level 20 newman now xD? lol the other friend use another mmo but … im not a fan of that mmo… -.- I be a pso fan till sega kills me for being one… but I did meet a few other English people…but not many… others are afraid to talk now in public due to all this mess.)

Cobalt Robot

August 8th, 2012 at 6:47 am

I'd just like to once again put it on here that this clause was in the beta as well. The beta in which we played. The beta during which we chatted in English.

Don't jump the gun and assume every English-speaking person will be banned on sight. It's likely just to cover their asses for support purposes. In other words, if an English player encounters a glitch that destroys their game and try to complain about it in a language that the developers don't even understand, they can be like, "Well, we told you that the game isn't supported for you."

I'm going to keep playing as usual until the Western version comes out. Then I'll play that until they screw it up, then I'll come back to the JP version. If I get banned, that's perfectly reasonable. Lots of MMOs have region blocking. I won't boycott Sega, I won't "give up" on them, I won't even be mad. Disappointed that I lost my data and $35 in Arks Cash, but not mad.

People need to chill out and enjoy the friggin' game. Acting like a troll or jackass to other players is gonna cause issues, but just playing it probably won't.

Yuki-chan

August 8th, 2012 at 6:57 am

People are STILL overreacting? Jesus Christ.

Anon_Fire

August 8th, 2012 at 7:27 am

@everyone: This is the same thing that was said in the ToS during the Closed Beta. If you ever played it.

Sagara

August 8th, 2012 at 7:51 am

Oh, man~ what a disappoint :( I love japan, I really do, but sometimes with things like these I wish I live in Japan.

I think I understand the tendency of keeping what is theirs. I mean, it's in all their right. But I just get low mooded ( u.u)

Blaze

August 8th, 2012 at 8:33 am

People clam the hell down its the same ToS back in Beta like everyone has been saying lord.

Ski Bum

August 8th, 2012 at 9:36 am

Like many ppl already said, I also want to believe that was the way of SEGA to say "behave well or get banned." But at the same time I saw a post on other forum talking about some IP got already blocked in Netherlands and UK…although there is no way for me to verify these info it makes me nervous. I have already put in over 300 hrs of play (but no real $$ paid), I feel so risky to just hop in and play til realize they do actually ban foreign IPs.

I'm from JPN but living in the US so I kinda see why SEGA did it this way because this is the easiest to avoid (not to solve) the problem FOR NOW. However, they should know this kind of act usually upset ppl. Believe or not, I read many jpn players said this is ridiculous not just it is a bad move for SEGA but also they will miss their foreign friends had good run with using easy English words to communicate.

This fuss just reminds me "Sakoku" which is a policy jpn did in Edo era…nvr grew out of it after 400 yrs.

Sorry my post got longer than I thought.

kacta

August 8th, 2012 at 9:45 am

Asked some of my jpn friends and they seem to think mainly for insurance and overseas rmt and the like. That or they were trying to make me feel better.

Alis Landale

August 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am

@Ski Bum

Broomop was the one to have spoken those words, so, one must not take such statements to be fully spoken in truth until it can be verified by the outside. He has caused problems for Phantasy Star aplenty already.

Nibelungenlied

August 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am

You guys should really not run off at the mouth so much. You're only making the Eng community look like a bunch of retarded hicks whose only goal is to sully the gaming enjoyment of others. Seriously, get over yourselves.

On note with the whole "Well I bought AC" Q~Qage…..you knew it was a JP MMO. They make you use either a valid JP Address or WebMoney. Saying "Well I should be able to stay because I bought your premium currency" is extremely stupid, considering that you lied about your information to even be able to purchase it.

Bottom line: we all knew what we were getting into when we joined a Japanese MMO. You can continue playing the game as is, or you can all turn into a bunch of mindless asshats and cause them to actually begin IP Bans and Region Locks.

Shanie

August 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am

There's only two things that are important here.

1) What SEGA does with this new JP-only system. If they want to use it to keep out hackers and not fix their game, well, they got another thing coming.

2) If they want English users out of the way, they will have to release the English version faster, because their time table is too long for a complete game that is being already mostly translated by fan translators. It's suggested that they also set up a voluntary transfer of characters, else people have a reason to stick around.

Shanie

August 8th, 2012 at 10:30 am

@GJ Sega

Autowords in English does not mean that you're not Japanese.

Localization isn&#03

August 8th, 2012 at 10:49 am

@finalzone

>Translation can be done by each respective community thus saving cost to Sega of Japan.

Completely wrong. It would actually be MORE expensive for Sega to officially support fan translations. It would create a whole legal nightmare of attribution and liability (remember, fans are not legal employees of Sega). This becomes even more complicated by the different laws and customs in effect in different countries regarding "fair use", "derivative works", etc.

Localizing games isn't easy. Yes, the actual language translation is fairly straightforward, but the really difficult, expensive part of game localization is having the proper business and legal framework in place to take responsibility for the translation.

It's easy to rely on the fans when you're just doing small projects for fun, but a full-fledged business MUST follow a lot more laws and regulations than the typical hobbyist. Relying on fans is too unpredictable, and Sega as a business can't afford to take the risk of officially supporting any fan works, no matter how innocuous.

It's just norma

August 8th, 2012 at 11:05 am

Sega is just doing what they need to do in order to protect themselves from lawsuits, because of the English patch.

During the closed beta there was a working, widespread English patch, so Sega had to take extra steps to remind everyone that the game was meant for Japan, and thus they could not guarantee any kind of official support for non-Japan. The closed beta TOS reflects this.

On game launch, there was no working English patch, so Sega didn't have to say that the game Japan-only. The lack of English in the game implied as such, so they didn't need to mention it in the original TOS.

Now that there's a working English patch again (or will be soon), Sega has to clearly state that the game is Japan-only. So they're using the same TOS clause they used during the closed beta, ie: we cannot officially support any non-Japan play.

Anonymous

August 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

So what are you guys doing now? Are there IP bans or…? I have installed the game, but I think I cannot patch due to this rule. I know someone may have a solution.

Nibelungenlied

August 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

From what I've seen, the only people that were banned were the usual hackers. Maybe a few of the patch users did as well, but that's about it.

Ricardo

August 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

No it's not an IP ban.

BeastModeBoogie

August 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

games are meant to be played and enjoyed….they should just lets us westerners play the awesomeness thats PSO2..stop with all this silly mess, adding "clauses" the only clause is Santa….a Japan only game "WHAT EVER"…hackers just need to chill the F**K OUT or sega just need to crack down on hackers better and dont make everyone suffer because a NPC got moved 3 feet from their original spot….i might not be making any sense in what im saying but a IP BAN just doesnt need to happen

Nibelungenlied

August 8th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Totally. It has nothing to do with the fact that this is an MMO based in Japan only, and that a NA/EU release has already been slated. No you're right, they should totally just do whatever they can to accommodate the Western players because let's face it; we're all that matters in this world.

Dear being of higher power, please let me change my nationality -_-

crackalacka

August 8th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

GF and I have played tons today, with the revised english patch, talking in plain sight in english. No repercussions. This is a non-issue. It is simply to cover their asses if things don't work right for us foreigners. They have no obligation to support us since we're not following the TOS.

Suzu

August 8th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

@BeastModeBoogie

you know although I see your passion about the game I could definitely say that your an idiot.it's normal for them to add "clauses" when there are mods or patches to translate the game in English.if you view it in Sakai's and the Japanese communities' perspectives, you'll find it devastating.If you also use your common sense why in the world would they or should they give a damn if westerners enjoy it when it's obviously meant for the enjoyment of the Japanese community.You're lucky enough to experience it first hand even before it's frigging released in the US.

BeastModeBoogie

August 8th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

No reason to call names an talk shit @Suzu :-D ….lmao the lameOs you find on here is crazy

Saru

August 8th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

@BeastModeBoogie Suzu just huffing and puffing. it really not that big of a deal.

AwesomeG7

August 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

I love how all of you guys are making a conversation out of the ToS change. This is a non-issue if you use common sense. Just keep your head down (unlike me XD) and nothing will happen to you or your characters.

A) Sega has chosen to release PSO2 for NA/Europe in 2013. There is nothing you can do about it (and until they produce evidence of an earlier release), just be patient or

B) Play the game fairly and no harm can come to you.

That simple.

Wala

August 9th, 2012 at 4:34 am

Pretty simple – it's a blanket TOS statement.

They won't actively enforce it. It's just a protection clause for them in case you decide to complain about a CC payment or bad customer service or damages (remember Diablo 3 in some countries?).

The idea is: you have a problem? Wait, why are you playing the game when you're outside Japan?

Pretty simple really. But they won't actively do it, have so little to gain from it.

Having been to Japan, a lot of their games have a "not for sale outside of Japan" or "not for play outside of Japan". Cultural thing I guess.

Pablo

August 9th, 2012 at 4:48 am

They are just protecting their butts from lawsuits, they don't give a damn about where are people from, besides, foreign players or not a populated game attracts more people who can potentially buy the ad products arks cash or eventually the retail versions and merchandise.

Nxtech

August 9th, 2012 at 8:30 am

they probably dont want us playing because we are the ones (some of us) who are hacking the game and proposing attacks on the servers. if i were sega then i wouldnt want those people on my servers.

Ski Bum

August 9th, 2012 at 8:30 am

Seems like they are going to do temp maintenance today in like 5 hrs and one of the things they say will fix may have some affect…hopefully just to bad players!

original announcement
http://pso2.jp/players/news/?id=301

Kamineko

June 18th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

they sure know the answer and way to resolve this: PROVIDE PSO2 TO U.S.A. AND EUROPE, SLOWPOKES!

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