Daggers! Hell yeah! Hope it has those fancy roundhouse kicks with the attacks. Though what do ya mean we will have to buy something? AC related or with meseta? Hope twin sabers come soon too or even single sabers. Need something to make up fer the crapiness of the Gunsword.

Can't wait for the new techs

THEY need to fix the levelling from 20-25, its such a pain I got lv 40 one time trying to get the other classes to at least 30, but its such a pain! Thankfully there are emergency missions otherwise it'd take me 2 days to get one level… Imo reason its a pain cause no "good" place to grind in, and only one cave mission wtf?

H10 Missouri! Too bad I can't order the physical package. Well, I could but I'm not going to just in case we all get the banhammer. Loved them in JP PSU.

Interesting that Gunner gets a Hunter-style 'attack chain' meter. I wonder if there are abilities in the Gunner tree that stack with it? Mechguns could be lethal.

@ClothoBuer – Yeah i was thinking the same thing, it would be strange to play a gunner with only one weapon. Sorry I don't count the gunlash as a real weapon.

The fighter would still be the most diverse because they still get three different weapons. And techer seems like it would be alright cuz they get new spells and a wand. I only use a rod when i play as force anyway, so only having one weapon there isn't so bad.

I think it's just gunner that bothers me, if we only get the mechguns I sure hope they are really good.

i hope they do something with the 20 – 30 grind … will be a pain lvl the new class with the same grind :S

this is kind of retarded.

gears generally make gameplay much more interesting, so the techta / gunner classes will probably be more engaging and entertaining than ranger and force.

i always thought releasing new characters/classes was an annoying way to elongate gameplay.

basically it seems like they just gave us watered down, less engaging classes first. and then they put out these classes later. because they knew if they put it them all out at once, nobody would play the basic hunter/ranger/force, since all of them (except hunter) seem so much less engaging.

eh, whatevs. suppose that's why it's free, i can duck in and duck out of this game whenever i please. haven't played for two weeks anyway, just farming FUN.

Stock it is!

So let me get this straight: all the new gear will require Premium?

oh for an edit post button. yes, I realize my "without healing ability" remark was a derp. my brain hiccuped and asserted the notion of losing everything available in force, which would disagree with even what famitsu said.

@anon

i've always been against nerfing. i'm for buffing everything else to make it even.

sword gear imbalanced? buff stock type gears. gears so strong it makes other classes weak (even though this isn't true)? buff other classes. etc. nerfing is just lol.

i think increasing the stock charge for both wired lance and partisan by 50% could actually make it somewhat close to sword gear.

@cisen01 : 20-30 grind? buy boss-class order items

yes, you can actually buy level in this game :3

@-Z- Not that easy to maintain partisan's gauge AND damage output. When the gauge is filling, be it by waiting for the "twirl" after attacks, blocking or at the "drill" after a ground Trick Rave, you don't passively restore PP. That's a huge punch on your overal damage output, since the highest DPS PA (Speed Rain) also doesn't let you restore PP while it's being unleashed. That means our passive PP restoration is really minimal while in combat.

If you're going to stop to wait the animation after an attack you'll lose PP AND damage. Blocking either.

The only viable option is Trick Rave.

Plain and simple: Speed Rain with extended range costs 70 PP if you didn't pre-charge your gauge.

anon> the problem here is that you don't "lose" damage. your output doesn't change, only the speed at which that output occurs.

working slower is not working less, unless you're doing time attack, an UM, or one of the other contemptible timed things. if you were hellbent on doing the most damage possible as fast as you could, you'd be using sword/gear.

"passive" PP regen is for forces who have charge PP revival. for everyone else, there's normal attacks. if you're a hunter or ranger and there's enemies near, and you need PP? you attack. (okay, maybe not if you're a ranger in the midst of a use of weakbullet)

you're expecting every weapon to fill the same niche. if they did, there'd be no point in having different weapons.

charging partisan gear without spamming trick rave is perfectly viable. if you're finding it not to be viable you should be using a different weapon.

also, all this "hurr durr EZ GAEM" stuff I keep seeing needs a rest. sure there's plenty of places that aren't made to make you suffer. but then you get obnoxious crap like the snow *bleep*s or the various timed COs (barring coffee's, which have been made less of a nuisance, thank god). just because the game isn't IWtBTG doesn't mean it has no challenge. I seriously don't understand this drive in the western gaming community for games to make most people throw their controllers at walls.

w00!! I figured the sub class for Fo would have the other half of the skills. now just to see what they do and plan from there!

@ -Z- Well, sorry man, I'll never ever direct my word to u again because it doesn't make sense. You have a completely different point of view about things. I don't know how old you are, but I just feel I don't have time to be wandering in virtual forests picking up apples and whatnot like I used to be. When I do something, it doesn't matter if it's gaming or anything else, I like to go "balls deep" on it. That means sooner or later I expect a challenge in games.

That's just how it is. And it doesn't make sense to discuss about game balance or anything related if you're "playing just for fun" (note the quotes there, please).

Wait, wait. Someone said Gunslashes are crap? I beg to differ. Their damage output is decent, and their PA list is one of the most versatile yet. Even if the shooting portion of the attacks does less damage as a Hunter (or vice-versa, the physical portion of the attacks doing less damage as a Ranger), it's not like they deal horrible damage just because of that. My Thrillsplode does a pretty good amount of damage with a decent AoE.

And Hunters using Serpent Air are fantastic at dealing damage without causing trouble for others (talking about those people that enjoy using PAs that blast mobs into oblivion in the sky or move them around *Wiredlance ahem*).

Of course, that's just my opinion and I'm sure many would disagree.

@ Anon: Well, you cannot ignore the fact that difficulty is something that applies differently from person to person. One might find games like Monster Hunter incredibly challenging, while others might find it easy.

If you're looking for a good challenge and the game doesn't provide you with one, pray that they provide more challenge with updates, pick up some other game instead, or simply create your own challenge.

Of course, if the game is really so easy that you can't even make it any interesting for you after putting restrictions like "soloing with low-grade weapons without equipping units and using -mates", etc, then you're out of luck.

One thing I agreed with -Z- was that you can't expect every weapon to fill the same niche. Just the way the Sword Gear was designed tells you something obvious; the Sword is meant for DPS, much more than Partisans do. Let's say you buff Partisan Gear so that it could give Swords a run for their money in terms of damage. Someone comes by and say "it's not fair Partisans get more range while having damage pretty near Swords", and suggests increasing Swords' range. All that accomplishes is asking them to make every weapon function the same. Everything has their own pros and cons, if Swords are supposed to be damage powerhouses.

@Sherlock Yeah I played a little bit of both on a friend's console once. It's indeed a hard game, but it's just too slow. One of my favorite games was rockman back in the day with all the dashing, slides, wall "runs" weapon swap etc.

If it was just for the difficulty i'd be like a zombie playing the boringass D3 without AH.

Well, I don't see swords as THE damage weapon. You move a bit slower with them and they force you to lose some offensive points in the skill tree to get the gear.

Partisans doesn't necessarily have a higher range too, since with sword you'll probably be using Sonic Arrow in at least 2 slots.

The main point is how much time you manage to keep the sword gauge at level 3. With level 2 I usually do a little more damage than with a partisan. But level 3 is definately superior in damage.

I the end I just chose partisan as my main because it feels faster and more "dashy" than swords.

Oh and I never meant PSO2 is boringly easy. I just said the game is easy now (you really can't say it's hard unless you're running naked with no mates or drinks) and if you're going to buff everyone for any "unbalance" like weeaboo mentioned, then it'd reach a point where you'd be able to let your 6 yo cousin alone farming vol souls for you.

I'm assuming these new classes put you back to level 1 as per continuing from level 30. Not looking forward to normal mode or that level 20 to 25 grind again. I ain't mad …I'm just disappointed.

Can't wait until September, even though it's just two weeks left. I wanted to try the knuckles out since OB, but if I don't like them, then I guess I'll go for the Twin Blades, I mean, Twin Dagger. Ohh~ it reminds me so much to .hack.

I just hope the spells rock since I am not looking forward too much to wands ^^

more levels in grants and a beam attack? I am sold… the only way you could make it better is if you let me gun down the Mardi Gras Del Rappies with those spells >:)

Personally I use wired lances to fight snow/fang banshees/banthers. I don't even know why, considering I don't have wirelance gear. I just seem to do better.

I take a while to solo for any bosses though, lol. That aside, Heavenly Fall can still damage if they don't move away, and Other Cyclone works if Banther starts doing his spam clawing animation and you dodge it. I also use Grapple Charge if it roars and I'm too far away.

(strangely enough I've performed Heavenly Fall a few times on Fang Banshee/banther's tail)

w00t! I am excited about the new Melee class. More specifically, I am excited about Double Sabers (I was a fan of those in PSOBB).

it sounds like you're one of those "I MUST do EXACTLY as is stated to be THE BEST!" types. <<;

anyway.

it's somewhat obvious that swords are the "anti-boss" weapon. that's when you'll have the highest chance to maintain the gear, after all. w.lance is meant for "anti-mob" roles, given how it has what, one? PA that isn't hamstrung by bosses being too big to swing around… partisan is, ultimately the middle of the road, having both anti-mob and anti-single PAs.

different weapons, different niche intentions.

also, I've found that slide shaker is often better used in the air, since you aren't staying still at that point. hop, spin. you don't go very far, but any movement is movement.

Oh I'll be rewarded by doing air combos and cool stuff?! O-K I guess twin daggers will be my new weapons.

Subclasses and new classes are not the same thing. Sub classes lets you pick a second class and use it as a sub.

Man I called it

additional thought:

if techer is supposed to be a "front line" mage… why do they retain talis instead of rod?

it seems… a bit off, doesn't it, for the "front line" caster to retain the "REALLY BACK ROW" weapon.

@-Z- -

>if support tech AoE is notably larger though "staying in their field" wont be as much of an issue.

>Of course knuckle timing will change as their attack animation speeds up O_o you'll get used to it and then wonder why you were even making a stink about it to begin with.

>Daggers seem a little gimmicky, but there are plenty of enemies where you have to be airborne to hit their weak spots. Or you know…flying enemies. Dagger may be the weapon of choice in those situations.

Seems to me you're ready to just bash everything that doesn't match up with your play style or takes you out of your comfort zone. The class is clearly centered around finesse and style rather than brute force. That's a good thing.

And as far as techers and talises, what if there was a greatsword and a longsword that had similar animations, similar attack ranges and used the same PAs? that's what you're arguing for. The wand will be a weaker version of a rod with a gear. So would you want the wand with a gear and a rod without a gear and no other weapons? Yeah I'm sorry, variation wins out. and the class clearly isn't TOO CQC oriented since you know…they'll still have all the long range techs that force does. The idea is they'll be able to get in the mix more readily due to greater defense oriented stats and a wand gear, not that they prefer to melee with techs being an afterthought.

No, A subclass is a class that you use in tandem with your main class. That means that you essentially are playing two classes at the same time. What happens(supposedly) s your main class will gain the weapon proficiencies and PAs of the subclass as well as access to the skill tree of the subclass.

In order to gain access to the Gunner class you will need to get to lvl 30 as a Ranger.

Once sub classes are released you will be able to pick an existing class as a subclass to compliment your main class.

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where did I question whether or not the timing changes happenas your aspd goes up? I'm calling out the irritating nature of it happening, not acting like it's a "hidden" thing. proofread the post before you argue with it. I regularly miss timings as it is, in no small part due to hardware lagspikes; timings jumping around on their own will likely mean someone in my situation won't be JAing much with knuckles when the gear isn't maxed and holding there.

there ARE some flying enemies, yes, and being airborne is needed to hit… but it's still melee. even with weapons with an obvious larger swing than daggers would have, it's not hard to either A: misjudge or B: whiff because they moved, moreso than on the ground. it says "stay up with PAs" and I'm saying they'd better be inexpensive to make that really work out. you're… justifying anti-air? I'm not even sure where you're going with that.

I don't see the finesse and style of shifting JA timings. whether style was an issue with daggers wasn't even brought up.

and think about it a little more with the techer/talis thing. if they're supposed to be front line, again, talis is a poor fit. it's expressly the "staying well out of the way" weapon.

if the wands ARE just plain inferior to rods for casting, then that gear better do something damn impressive to compensate. squishy wizard on the front line needs to have SOMETHING to justify trying to get squished. as I said, they'll have higher S-Def but probably still not enough to help. and be worse at dealing with the few actual magic things that get thrown at them, and leaving them without a decent casting option leaves them with only the skill tree stuff as an excuse to level them, leveling them and then subbing it on to force so you have the skills improving the other half of the elemental spectrum while still having good casting power.

that radius increase would have to be pretty huge to get people using anything supportive other than resta.

hell, as it is I see people constantly whining about mooks dying faster than they can do anything to them in MPAs, which leaves boss fights… and exactly how many bosses do we have that really let you stay in a comparitively small radius?

let's see. rockbear punches you out of it if you stay too close and bellyflops you if you get out of his reach enough. catadran's nature means the fight doesn't stay still much. vol dragon? most definately makes you move to suit it's tastes. goddamn snowcats? hahahahaha no. holding still with them gets you dead. forest cats? nope. tranmizer? what I've seen suggests it's iffy. big varder? well, once you've broken the missile pods and all, so that's one. catardransa? see catadran. quartz dragon? another "you play by my rules" boss. ragne? yet another "you play by my rules" boss. all the DPS nuts around would rather you be spamming rafoie than buffing.

also, it should be fairly obvious by this point that your subclass isn't going to level, I mean, why else would sakai be making cracks about leveling more than one class in preparation for the subclassing feature?

and sorry to sound any more like I'm on the rag, but damn. how many times must people explain that subclasses and new classes are not the same thing?

think of it like this. consider each class a seperate "character".

djecliptik, you say you're Hu. so that's your "main" character. you want to try Gu.

now, you'd have to have leveled Ra to 30 and done the order to unlock Gu, so we just give that a vague acknowledgement and:

Hu is your main.

Ra and Gu are your alts.

so you're switching to an alt (Gu).

then you're leveling that alt while your main does waits around.

whereas subclassing would be, you're on your main and can use one of your alt's skillsets without changing "character"s.

so your Hu would be able to use your Gu's machineguns and skills, but not actually BE your Gu.

subclassing is not the same thing as changing classes.

@-Z- -

"also, it should be fairly obvious by this point that your subclass isn’t going to level, I mean, why else would sakai be making cracks about leveling more than one class in preparation for the subclassing feature?"

-Because you can't take the new classes unless you have the related class leveled up to 30. So if you're a hunter and you want to play gunner, you need to get ranger to 30 first.

I read your knuckle comment just fine, I'm saying it seems like you're complaining that the weapon speeds up as the heat gauge fills. Which I guess you're saying you meant more as playful whining rather than actual bitching. If that speed boost were something you really didn't want you could just not take that gear. My point was it seemed silly to complain that a speed boost made you have to speed up your inputs. Maybe YOU should read something twice before you respond =p

As far as wands vs rods, I understand what you're saying but the whole idea is that you're talking about two melee weapons where one lends itself more to melee than the other and the only other possible difference is the one less melee oriented is probbaly more tech oriented which also doesn't lend itself to the purpose of the class. At least with a talis you have the option to take a step back and still restore PP, or move your point of origin for support techs. it adds to versatility where rod is essentially more or the same. Rod is a pointless weapon for a techer and so what you're really arguing for is wand and gunslash as opposed to wand, talis and gunslash. Then all the forces would just bitch about only having one weapon.

What I really think is a waste is giving gunners ARs. they already have a burst fire weapon.